Trumpet Cross Training?

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by kctrumpeteer, Mar 3, 2011.

  1. kctrumpeteer

    kctrumpeteer Piano User

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    I have at times thought about picking up a baritone or euphonium for fun that as I have heard has the same fingerings as a trumpet, but obviously a very different embouchure, looser lips, etc.. A friend that I play music with that plays tuba said that doing so would really help my ability on the trumpet because playing a larger instrument would require a lot more air but I also know a very different embouchure and not sure if the latter would hurt my trumpet playing more than it would help. Another friend that plays trumpet with me has a baritone and I tested it out once and thought it seemed like a whole different beast to try to take on. I'm presuming that on a trumpet forum that most would say why the BLANK would you want to play something else like a baritone, but at least wondering what others experiences are that have played both and if you recommend the baritone or the euphonium. I know when I was young and in school band that the band leader tried to convince some trumpet players to play baritone because he didn't have any baritones, but back then I only cared about trumpet playing and not much has changed, but it could be fun to tinker with.
     
  2. ComeBackKid

    ComeBackKid Fortissimo User

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    It all depends on where you want to go with your playing. A well-rounded professional will have a lot of "weapons" in his arsenal. But, as you have seen, it is not a trivial matter. It takes time and effort. Done properly, it will help your overall playing and not hurt it. For baritone/euphonium and tuba, you will need to learn to read bass clef but again, that is just a matter of practice.

    I played baritone for years and was able to switch without any problem. I would do it again if our band needed that instrument and had too many trumpets. It is always a benefit to have additional skills.
     
  3. Ed Lee

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    Fingering for baritone and euphonium is only the same as trumpet/cornet when the music in the G / treble clef. It gets tougher because most music in F/bass clef as if written for a C instrument. I have played ALL brass from picc to suzy and will say I didn't have a problem with mpc size and I believe such strengthens the lips and facial muscles more than just any single instrument. Yes, certainly such trains in more endurance/stamina.
     
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  4. SmoothOperator

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    I know a guy who doubles on trombone from trumpet, mostly because there are some gigs that require a trombone, but already have a lead trumpet player. I don't think he really does the trombone justice, it still sounds like a trumpet. He doesn't do the pedal tones etc. He even plays a valve trombone sometimes.

    It sounds good, but it is fairly obvious that he isn't into the trombone in a serious way.
     
  5. TrumpetMD

    TrumpetMD Fortissimo User

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    I play a little bass trumpet. But I don't do it to be a better trumpet player. I do it mainly for fun.

    And at least for me personally, I don't agree with your friend's assertion that playing a low brass instrument would help your ability to play the trumpet.
     
  6. jgambill

    jgambill New Friend

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    My instructor sometimes brings out a baritione for me to play in our lessons and even had me get a trombone mouth piece to use in buzzing. It has the same fingers and you can play music in the treble clef but an octave lower. I think it help eveything. You definitely have to put more air into the horn that what is required for the trumpet. I actually thought about getting a baritione but decided to get a flugelhorn instead (flugelhorns are a lot easier to carry around). SO I don't think it will hurt you any and more than likely will help you to relax your throat and get more air into the horn.
     
  7. Kujo20

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    Go for it man! I suggest euphonium...

    When I was in high school I played trumpet, french horn, and euphonium (trumpet as primary). I think that it was a big helper in developing my trumpet playing and musicality in general. I personally think that it helped with developing my tone as well. The fingerings will come right along for you if you work at it.

    So I say go for it, and have fun! If you have any other questions, just PM me.
    Kujo
     
  8. nieuwguyski

    nieuwguyski Forte User

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    In the US, just about every horn called a baritone is really a euphonium anyway. True baritones are only found in traditional brass bands.
     
  9. kctrumpeteer

    kctrumpeteer Piano User

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    As an interesting side note on doing a little research on baritones and euphoniums, I can say that although they are different instruments that there are some myths about one having the bell face out or face up and myths about 3 valves versus 4 valves as well as a few other myths... basically you can have a baritone or a euphonium and compensating and have 4 valves on either and I have seen both that have upright and forward facing bells... although the overall size of a baritone appears to be smaller than the counter part Euphonium.

    A guy I take lessons with said a baritone would be most like the sound I am used to with a trumpet and a euphonium would be more like a lower octave of a flugelhorn.

    Its not a priority to get, but I have seen some craigslist models for anywhere from $150-750 which is not too crazy for an instrument. Especially on the cheaper model. I suppose a real cool oddity would be if I could come across a double bell model that used to be made that I think combined qualities of both in one instrument or qualities of a trombone/baritone into one model...

    In regards to relating to trumpet playing, even tonight I was working on some things with making sure that I have full air stream playing through my notes, so I suppose in theory if I had to get used to producing more air for say playing a baritone/euphonium then it would make it easier for get my air supply up for trumpet.. Its a theory at least. :-)
     
  10. tobylou8

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    Do it.You'll enjoy it and it will help your breathing. :thumbsup:
     

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