Trumpet Loudness War?

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  1. bamajazzlady

    bamajazzlady Mezzo Forte User

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    Who and/or what is to blame for the trumpet loudness war?
     
  2. mike ansberry

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    Que?
     
  3. bamajazzlady

    bamajazzlady Mezzo Forte User

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    @mike ansberry this discussion was sparked by @LaTrompeta alluding to how all the players today are sounding homogenous and @rowuk stated the loudness war can be a possible reason.
     
  4. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    I would not consider it a war except in some school teenage situations. It is a fact that we are playing louder in symphonic orchestras than we used to. That is due to the changes in instruments that promote playing louder. The volume where edge in the trumpet sound starts to develop is louder than in previous generations!
     
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  5. mike ansberry

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    Ah. I came late to the party.
     
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    @rowuk, do you think that the choice in instrument/mouthpiece is a contributing factor to this phenomenon? Or perhaps the ubiquity of amplification has subtly introduced the idea of "louder" into everyone's mind?
     
  7. rowuk

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    To be honest, I think that it is a product of trumpet pedagogy these days. Flow studies and a focus on "making it sound" are one problem, a general "too legato" articulation is another. Many of the top players are incredibly smooth, but do not "ooze" elegance like Manny Laureano or Gil Johnson.

    Some of it does have to do with modern instruments however. I think that mouthpieces have been generally big in the symphonic world.
     
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  8. Vulgano Brother

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    To a large degree, if anyone is to blame, it is trombonists, and their switch to large bore trombones decades ago.
     
  9. neal085

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    Am I correct that the trombone is the only handheld and unamplified instrument capable of producing louder sound than a trumpet?
     
  10. Vulgano Brother

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    Other than firearms, yes. Trumpeters drool less than trombonists, though.
     
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