Vocalizing Your Tone

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Tones, Jan 19, 2009.

  1. Tones

    Tones New Friend

    Jan 8, 2009
    So has anyone compared the physical characteristics of playing trumpet with those of singing. For example...imagine you are one of the Three Tenors and you open your throat to get that BIG DEEP Opera sound in your voice...now apply that to your playing...take a deep breath and open your throat and drop your Adam's apple....now blow with relaxed chops and how do you sound? Just wondering if there are any thoughts on this. It seems to work great for me at keeping a big sound in the entire register. :huh:
  2. Bob Grier

    Bob Grier Forte User

    May 4, 2007
    Greensboro, NC
    Since Arban trumpeters have tried to "sing" with their trumpets. To play in a vocal style is our goal. I use sining all the time with my students to show correct breath control. It's the most natural way to play.
  3. s.coomer

    s.coomer Forte User

    Mar 25, 2005
    Indianapolis, In
    Brass players share a great deal with singers. Not only air but breath control and style.
  4. bagmangood

    bagmangood Forte User

    I don't think about physically singing so much, though maybe trying to get as much "vowel" in the sound as possible, projecting towards the other end of the room
  5. Tones

    Tones New Friend

    Jan 8, 2009
    There is so much talk about relaxing and not tightening up as you exhale (especially when ascending)...so what merit is there to consciously opening your throat as opposed to just relaxing it. When I sing with a boastful voice it is necessary. When I apply this technique to trumpet playing it seems to make a world of difference. Is this a common approach??
  6. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    The throat cannot "close". it is not a flexible hose that can collapse. Our vocal chords can close and really mess up our playing. That is why I developed my circle of breath. The visualization is that playing is the same as relaxed exhalation!

    I agree with ADDING a vocal approach - to the flame thrower, arrows, big clouds and bulldozer that is also very much part of the things that we are required to play.

    When I think about vocalization, I think more about articulation. Too many players are afraid of decisive attack, very short notes and the like as they, like many singers are one sidedly obsessed with their "sound". Listen to people of all countries speak - mimic the German, Frenchman, Russion, Mexican as well as American, Englishman or Australian (let's also not forget the canadian - although "Eh?" is a hard syllable to recreate ;-) ). Learning to positively "attack" the notes - especially at piano, can be a big improvement!
  7. tunefultrumpet

    tunefultrumpet Pianissimo User

    Apr 9, 2008
    New Zealand
    I agree with the being afraid of a decisive attack. When I recorded my self playing a tune recently the first thing I noticed was that the first note of each phrase was not played decisively or strongly enough. In fact to make it sound musical I had to really attack the first note in an exaggerated way (or at least it felt that way to my ears). The second thing I noticed was a did not always hold notes to their full value. The third was the need to exaggerate every nuance of expression to make it sound musical. In my head I was playing it expressively but it was not coming out on the recording.
  8. FlugelNoob

    FlugelNoob Pianissimo User

    Jan 5, 2009
    Toa Payoh, Singapore
    I have been told for the past few years that a good instrumentalist, especially one specialising in winds, must sing be able to sing well, to play well.
  9. MFfan

    MFfan Fortissimo User

    Sep 13, 2006
    Kalamazoo, Michigan
    Well, I can sing pretty well and now still have a big voice at 66, having done choirs for 60yrs and took 7 yrs of piano as a kid. These are very interesting points. I have been playing cornet the trumpet since 55 and I, guess play with a "big" sound with a lot of air, on whatever horn I use amd tend to attack notes more than I should to have better control and not fluff them. Soft entrances take much more control and focus, of course.

    Maybe that is why I have trouble playing several measures in a row without sneaking a breath. Being disicplined and usuing a firm diaphram is very helpful and a better breathing technique would certainly help me to be able to finish phrases better both vocally and instrumentally. I am not much of an instrument technician, but that's another story.
  10. Markie

    Markie Forte User

    Jan 4, 2009
    Clarksburg, WV
    Hi Tones,
    Markie here,
    Yes I use a similar techniques but I imagine Andrea Boccelli projects. Also, I find that how I stand effects my sound. If I have and maintain a good balance and bend my knees a little, it makes a difference in the effort expended.

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