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    Welcome to the Vintage Cornet/Trumpet Forum!
    « Thread started on: 10/13/2003 at 00:23:35 »

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    Hi, and WELCOME!!!

    I'm so excited to have a place on the web to discuss these unique and varied instruments that shaped the horns we play today . . . and I am so pleased to be asked to be your moderator of the Vintage Cornet/Trumpets Forum.

    I guess I'm a "dinosaur" to many of you . . . born in 1951 and coming up in the school systems where virtually everyone played cornet. The top horns of Olds, Reynolds, Conn and King were the ones that we all dreamed about . . . and the handcrafted superhorns like the Chicago Benge and Mt. Vernon Bachs were special order only instruments handcrafted at the rate of just a few a week!

    One time, all these horns were cutting edge instruments of sometimes breathtaking workmanship. Today, many are coming out of the attics for the first time in fifty years or more . . . to be acquired and lovingly played by a new generation!

    I'm hoping to draw many renowned experts on vintage high brass instruments to "drop in" and visit us at times.

    Vintage horns can be a fun hobby . . . and you might just find one that will lay to shame the modern axe you currently play too! Hopefully this site can give you guidance so you get the right horn(s) for you!

    Please join in and make this spot a favorite on the Master's Forum!

    At your service,

    Tom Turner
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    « Reply #1 on: 10/13/2003 at 00:33:39 »

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    WOW! Sounds great Tom.

    TM
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    « Reply #2 on: 10/13/2003 at 18:19:38 »

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    Young punk! I'm 4 years older. Mind yer elders, y'hear?

    Hope we can talk about newer cornets in here too. (anything older 'n me is 'vintage', anything newer is "new").
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    « Reply #3 on: 10/13/2003 at 18:57:46 »

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    Hi yew old man, you make me feel YOUNG!

    Talk all the cornets you want!

    That fair-haired stepchild of the trumpet is being rediscovered . . . and new ways to play it will spring forth too, I hope!

    Sincerely,

    Tom
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    « Reply #4 on: 10/21/2003 at 07:55:52 »

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    Hey kids. I'm just kidding, I'm actually the whippersnapper here. I love the way old horns play, they seem to have a kinder, gentler sound than most horns made these days. I played Conns most of the time I was on the Miller band, 22B, 6B and Connstellation, now that I'm doing some more classical things I switched back to the Bachs, and a Benge for playing lead, I think the 3X is one of the most underappreciated horns out there, it has a great warm sound for classical music as well. Thanks for letting me intrude.
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    « Reply #5 on: 10/21/2003 at 13:54:26 »

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    Hi Jet tone man, and welcome aboard!

    Man, you've got quite a fine "arsenal" of fine ol' "working" horns!

    I still remember with great fondness my own Benge 3x, a new '72 horn (#9727) I bought back in my Army bandsman days.

    It was an early LA horn but, doing a joint gig with Woody Herman's band in early '74, all the trumpeters wanted me to hang around until after they completed the gig to try out my new LA 3X vs. their Burbank Benges. They were soooo relieved that the quality hadn't slipped at all after moving to LA.

    Darn, that 3X sounded as good in the studio as it did live . . . both as a lead horn AND as a solo horn. Sadly, one of the greatest trumpets ever made succumbed to mass marketing and by '75 things had begun to really slip. Today mostly only us "old farts" remember once what was . . .

    Gosh, some fine trumpets came out of that slow, perfectionistic Benge factory in the 60's! What was their average production. Wasn't it only TWO horns a week?

    Eldon was picky and fought following the trend to mass-produce as long as he lived . . . and Donald and company sure held on for as long as they could after Eldon's death in 1960.

    The original Benge company under Eldon never made a student trumpet . . . never stopped insisting on making the absolute BEST trumpet they could make . . . one at a time!!!

    Youngsters today aren't aware that sooooo many of those players "in the know" back in the 60's gigged and recorded on Benge Bb AND C trumpets!

    BTW, what years were you with the Miller organization? They are still goin' strong today, with both East and West Coast bands the last I heard. Which group were you with?

    Again, WELCOME ABOARD. Please contribute often. We'll all love your insight!

    Sincerely,

    Tom Turner
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    « Reply #6 on: 10/22/2003 at 07:57:11 »

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    Hi Tom, I played with the Miller band from '99-'00, it was a good band, good times were had by all. When I left the band 3 of the 4 of us were playing Conns, I had my 38B, the split lead player had his 36B and the jazz player played an 8B, you don't see a section like that everyday.
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    « Reply #7 on: 10/22/2003 at 22:08:23 »

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    Hi,

    Were you in the band when Michael McKenzie was on the 2nd book?

    He's a friend of mine and a wonderful player! He was on the band fronted by the bone player who has been a Miller leader for years!

    One of the veteran bone players in that Miller group also went to FSU way back when I was knocking around down there too.

    Sadly, in one of my "senior moments," I can't recall either of those bone player's names!!!

    Tom
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    « Reply #8 on: 11/03/2003 at 15:08:45 »

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    Hi Tom,

    I just found this forum today and am looking forward to visiting it more often for your knowledge and thoughtful comments.

    Regards as always,
    Phil

    P.S. Born 1942 and still playing
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    « Reply #9 on: 11/03/2003 at 15:09:31 »

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    Has anyone seen Tom around. Hope he is ok.

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    « Reply #10 on: 11/04/2003 at 00:54:08 »

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    Hi all,

    I'm around, but mainly just lurking simply because of my very busy work schedule.

    However, I try to make time to reply when I feel I should and look forward to the time when I have more free time to devote to new threads, etc.

    Sincerely,

    Tom Turner

    PS: Welcome Phil! I'm glad to see you post here!!!
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    « Reply #11 on: 11/04/2003 at 01:00:16 »

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    No problem Tom. Just hadn't seen you around. Post when you can. We understand you are busy. Thanks for moderating!

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  2. Hello, Tom...

    Just discovered your site...
    Good on 'ya...

    Me?
    Went from tpt to cornet...
    Played trad....Queen City Jazz Band...Denver...
    Had Boston Ne Plus Ultra...
    Then...L. bore French Besson...
    Back to New Orleans it was back to tpt again...
    LeBlanc Conrad Gozzo model...

    Hurricane Katrina brought me back to Denver...

    Have some questions...

    Selling an English Besson...
    Has "RMB" and an insignia stamped on bell...
    Both put on AFTER manufacture...
    Years of wondering, I came up with a possible answer...
    "RMB" stands for "Royal Military Band"...
    The insignia represents the regiment or the specific band...
    Whatd'ya think?...
    Have a friend who wants to buy it...
    But I don't know what it's worth...
    Any ideas?...

    Also...
    For 40 years been playing my LeBlanc Conrad Gozzo trumpet...
    Years delaying an overhaul...
    I'm looking for another Gozzo trumpet...
    Wrote to a guy in the forum who has one...
    Waiting for reply...
    Any ideas on where else I should try for a Gozzo?...

    Appreciate any help, man...
    And congrats on the site...

    Wes Mix
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  3. tom turner

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    Hi Wes,

    WE ARE SO GLAD YOU ARE HERE!

    I hope you'll be sharing some interesting stories from N'Yallin's!

    Tom
     
  4. Cornet1

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    Re; Besson cornet,..can you describe the model? What are the first thre digits of serial no.? Could "RMB" actually be "RMA"? Can you describe the main components of the 'crest'?
     
  5. Foxytrpt

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    I recently bought a King Superior cornet and I totally love it! I think it plays better than my friends new Yamaha shepperd crooks cornet. It has this very unique sound. I enjoy the horns "dry" sound, reminds me of the old days plus the valve action is awesome. from my understading that this is a student model?

    Simply sharing,

    C,
     
  6. zmacman

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    Hey Tom and fellow trumpet players. My first but probably not last post. I'm a recent returning player. I wish life had not been so busy that it kept me from playing. I'm really enjoying the time I get to play now. Picked up a couple nice horns due to the recently ended economic slump. First prize was a Benge #2 LA model Ser# 38780, Second was a 1970 Getzen Eterna 900, and third was a late 70's Besson International (for $50.00 !) All in perfect condition. I'm in trumpet heaven now. I still have my 1968 Besson 2-20 bought new in high school and a second for parts. It's great to be playing again, even scales and arpeggios are great fun. I'm glad to see such active sites around . Everyone has been a great inspiration to be wanting to play again. Thank so much. Jay
     
  7. trumpetnick

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    Congratulations, Tom!

    That's great News! I am not a big vintage user, but still have a 1956 Olds Ambassador cornet in good playing condition. Nice horn. Hope to see you more often around now!
     
  8. A.N.A. Mendez

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    Sorry, I just woke up....

    Rip

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  9. Dennis78

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    What happened to this thread? Is nobody buying and talking vintage anymore? Well six years after the last post I have to sing the praises of my new 1912 Holton. Great sound, great feel, nice open blow which my other two cornets don't offer. The build is first rate and it's just really nice to look at. It's sad that the some of the best designs and most attractive wraps just won't be used again
     

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