What goes into a new horn buying decision?

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by MUSICandCHARACTER, Feb 29, 2004.

  1. djm6701

    djm6701 Pianissimo User

    There was a huge discussion around this at Trumpetherald.com a while back. I think the agreement was that (and what I've always heard)

    Low C = C below treble staff
    Middle C = 4th space C
    High C = 2 ledger lines above the treble staff
    Double C = note on top of 5th leger line above treble staff
    Triple C would be the octave above that, and brings the dogs in for dinner :D
     
  2. MUSICandCHARACTER

    MUSICandCHARACTER Forte User

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    I do believe that is how most talk about it. Maynard talks about the "sure" double C. One you can hit whenever you want. :shock:

    I heard him in concert one night about 20 years ago. He had us all get quiet after playing MacArthur's Park. He must have felt it that night. He walked to the end of the stage and hit a pure triple C. Amazing. Then he went a bit higher (maybe a third) still with reasonable tone.

    Makes me hurt just thinking about it.

    M&C

    And think, this thread started out about why you would buy a new horn :D
     
  3. W Scott

    W Scott Piano User

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    Well, theoretically, my restored Constellation could reach that third C. After all, Maynard did reach it with a Constellation----but I'd probably hurt myself trying! :lol:

    Bill
     
  4. mheffernen5

    mheffernen5 Pianissimo User

    What goes in to looking at trumpets you ask? Well I am on a quest trying to find one for under $1,000.00. I think valve action is important, and good tone quality is also important. Also, I wouldn't know much about this because I am a junior in high school and I have tried a Bach 37. I have heard Yamaha Allegro is good too.
     
  5. DrunkIQ

    DrunkIQ Pianissimo User

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    FYI:

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    and the one in the staff is called middle....

    Here is a good article on why we name the notes this way (based on the
    piano standard):

    http://www.bbtrumpet.com/articles/c.html

    as far as i know maynard goes up to g above double C (double G)

    -marc

    for all of you changing you naming scheme at G - Just because our instrument starts at low F# on Bb, does not mean we shouldn't follow a standard that has been around longer than any of us have existed... - go read the article
     
  6. W Scott

    W Scott Piano User

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    Thank you Marc, as the saying goes a picture is worth a thousand words. I don't have any disagreement with that picture or the article---they both explain things better than I can!

    Bill
     
  7. W Scott

    W Scott Piano User

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    As for Mheffernen5, well, if you have a thousand or less to spend I'd say you have more choices than you can know what to do with!

    Go look at what is on E-Bay. I have rarely seen as many quality horns as are being sold there now. Schilkes, Olds, Conns, Kings, Benges, Getzens, probably a dozen Bachs, Selmers--there are scads of fine old horns from reputable sellers out there. My restored Constellation only cost $700.

    So, I think what you probably should do is ask yourself a few questions. What are you playing now? Do you like the sound and the way it plays? What type of music are you playing? You mentioned a band director and a band----talk to your director and see what he/she recommends. See if they know of a horn for sale or horns that you can try out.

    Once you have answered these questions, you've gone a long way toward figuring out what will work for you in your situation.

    Good luck!

    Bill
     
  8. MUSICandCHARACTER

    MUSICandCHARACTER Forte User

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    No kidding! $1000 dollars will buy a lot of horn. [start shameless plug] You can get a new ZeuS G-horn for that price [/shameless plug]

    Bill is quite correct about the secondary market. I am always amazed at two things when I look at eBay. The number of crappy China/India made horns and the number of very good horns at very reasonable prices. $1000 can buy a lot of horn. For that matter, $500 can buy you a lot of horn and leave you $500 for some restoration and repairs. One of the most popular pages on my website is the eBay Buying Hints Page. You might take a peek before going out to the secondary markets.

    $1000 won't get you a new Strad, but it can get you a very nice horn!

    M&C
     
  9. Tootsall

    Tootsall Fortissimo User

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    Yee HAW!
    Right on, Jim. I picked up that Eterna for under $600...or about half price. A few others I could suggest (actually, they're all on my watch list just 'cause I like seeing how things work out in the last few minutes of the auction.... or horns that I'd be bidding on if I were into collecting)

    Sure, EBAY can be a "dodgy business" from time to time....but with a little care you can nail some real gems down:

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6214&item=3714644250&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...4373&item=3714667688&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6214&item=3714050212&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6214&item=3714058267&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...1401&item=3714260359&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...1401&item=3714966304&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6214&item=3714976268&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    (Hey...notice who the seller is on that last one?)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6214&item=3715088840&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    (this one's a pro horn at a student price!)

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6214&item=3715177004&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6214&item=3715316433&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dl...6214&item=3714890376&ssPageName=STRK:MEBWA:IT

    See? Lotsa good stuff floating around. You just have to watch for it.
     
  10. FreshBrewed

    FreshBrewed Mezzo Piano User

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    You all could do what I'm doing and pick up a few Olds Ambassadors(L.A.) for between $66-$120. Then I'm sending them to Leigh for a makeover. The horns may be in bad shape but I have faith in the crew at FCB. I just hope that they don't end up with triggers and scopes on them!
     

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