Chris, you, just like the thread owner are still missing it. This thread started with the assumption that only the manufacturer can give the customer the deal that they deserve and I say that is just plain BULL. Price is not the issue, nor is absolute quality, whatever that may be. The issue is the write off of the retailers/dealers that are close to the customer and have a vested interest in each one of us. The mass marketers offer a take it or leave it, the can sell junk and rejoice in the fact that most consumers are lazy and will not demand satisfaction when effort is involved. Even with $150 trumpets, we don't have MORE KIDS in band programs, we just have kids with terrible instruments. Price is not the issue. I am not down on China, they just build what some clown on the other side of the pond orders. I see no need to subsidize that business however.