Several thoughts.... First, all music is a a combination of sounds and pauses thrown together, with a rhythm and a relationship among these sounds. To say that Jazz is just a bunch of notes or exercises stuck together makes it in no way different than any other kind of music. We practice exercises to be adept at playing the notes that the composer writes. We practice etudes to be able to add an emotional, communicative aspect to the music. When the subject of genre comes up, as it has in this thread, one may be surprised at the similarities among them, which brings me to... Second, it has been said that Jazz is a stream of eighth notes, so let's compare Baroque and Bebop and see that perhaps these are two forms of the same thing, separated by a couple of centuries. I would say that Johann Sebastian Bach and Clifford Brown had a lot in common rhythmically and musically. The difference between what we consider Classical music and Jazz is that the composer of Classical music has a deadline to come up with something musical that may be next month, next week, or even tomorrow, and he has the opportunity to change and perfect his composition before it is played. The Jazz improviser's deadline is RIGHT NOW!, and it has to be perfect the first time, which implies to me that an ability more difficult to develop than playing notes on a page is required in order for the performance to sound appropriately musical. Speaking of which... Third, When it comes to music, beauty is in the ear of the beholder. Everyone hears things in their own unique way. What sounds pleasing to one listener may sound horrible to another. A problem arises when a narcissistic listener declares as fact that a particular form of music is worthless, or worse, just because it doesn't happen to appeal to him. I have said before that there is a place for profanity, just not on TM. I think that TM should promote discipline of the kind it takes to become a better player and also to become a better communicator. People of all ages have access to TM, and it won't harm us if we set a positive example of how to engage in the exchange of thoughts and opinions. And yes, we can condemn that which is deserving without vulgarity and profanity, although we can allude to it if we choose. If someone wants a medium that is accessible to people of all ages that emphasizes all that is crude, all they have to do is turn on their TV. I would prefer that we keep TM and TV as it is today distinct from each other, however.