What piece other than the Hummel was written for an E trumpet?

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  1. ecarroll

    ecarroll Artist in Residence Staff Member

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    JC is right

    The 2nd movement is in a very constipated sounding Ab min. if the piece is played in Eb (been there, done that). A min (open strings) sounds far more "open" and transparent (been there, done that too).

    Most, sadly, never have the chance to play the Hummel with an orchestra, and a piano sounds like a piano in every key.

    Check out Ghitalla's old recording in E (C trumpet) with Pierre Monteux...

    Best,
    EC
    ps: for you Londoners out there, Hummel's manuscript is in the British Museum.
     
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  2. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

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    The Vulgano Brother theory: the Hummel was written for the Eb keyed trumpet and pitched in E so the sound on the important notes would always come out one of the tone holes and not the bell. The other stuff in E was written for valved instruments (including Verdi, who wrote chromatic licks designed to embarrass any trumpeter silly enough to bring only a Bb and no pencil to sight-read at opera rehearsals*).

    * Vulgano Brothers bring C trumpets and pencils to rehearsals (no erasers, though).
     
  3. Clarino

    Clarino Mezzo Piano User

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    Trust me, when playing violin I would much rather play in Eb than in E.


    For trumpet there are lots of orchestral parts for trumpet in E. Off the top of my head: Academic Festival Overture, Ride of the Valkiries, Dvorak 9, and a bunch of other stuff, I'm too far gone to remember at this time of day.


    Pitch in those days was so variable as to make a mockery of anyone trying to claim it was lower or higher for the benefit of modern instruments. It was a local phenomenon, you played in Vienna, you played in one pitch. You played in Paris, you played in a completely different pitch. That was then, this is now.
     
  4. Manny Laureano

    Manny Laureano Utimate User

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    (Pssst... Clarino...

    Academische Fest is for trumpet in "C"...)

    ML
     
  5. Clarino

    Clarino Mezzo Piano User

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    I'll have to check the parts I have, but I'm sure at least some of it is fro trumpet in E.

    Highly embarrasing if I'm wrong though.
     
  6. wiseone2

    wiseone2 Artitst in Residence Staff Member

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    I answered too quickly:oops: I thought the question was about solo works for E trumpet, not E trumpet in general.
    It is a common transposition, albeit a pain in the butt on the Bb trumpet. It is a must learn transposition.
    Wilmer
     
  7. Clarino

    Clarino Mezzo Piano User

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    Oops, Manny was right! I was thinking of Slavonic Dance by Dvorak. [​IMG]
     
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  10. Johntpt

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    The "Tocatta" movement from "Pulcinella" by Stravinsky lies perfectly on the E trumpet. Herseth used the Schilke E-F-G for that piece, using the E bell for Tocatta, the switching bells to G for the last few movements.

    I own a 4 valve Schilke E-F-G trumpet, and I'd say that E trumpets are surprisingly useful. I've used mine many times in the orchestra. A few months ago I used it for the 3rd movement of the Chopin First Piano Concerto - how many players have folded playing that on Bb or C trumpet????? I have friends with the Yamaha E-Eb trumpet, which is also a very nice horn. I recently had Charlie Melk adapt a Bach 239 bell for my E trumpet, making it sound as close to a Bach C trumpet as possible.

    JU
     
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