which C is it?

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  1. Bob Grier

    Bob Grier Forte User

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    :huh:I've noticed a lot of confusion when people talk about range on the trumpet. I hope we can agree on what to call the notes. from low F# to 1st space F is the low range on a trumpet, example low C. from 1st space F# to 5th line F is the middle range, example middle C. from 5th line F# to 4th ledger space above the staff F is the high range, example high C. Above that are the double F# to double F and so on.:grouphug:
     
  2. nieuwguyski

    nieuwguyski Forte User

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    I personally agree with your nomenclature, but I guarantee many others won't.
     
  3. BrassOnLine

    BrassOnLine Piano User

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    Why not talking about C3 or A4 ???
    It's the most common system for ALL instruments.
    Standard desired Tuning is A3=440Hz
     
  4. deebee

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    Trouble is, this ...

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    ... is known pretty universally as "Middle C". :-(

    The best solution I've seen to the note-naming problem is where the moderator has provided notes-on-staves "smilies" which can be dropped into postings as easily as ... :thumbsup:
     
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  5. The Dutch Guy

    The Dutch Guy Piano User

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    That's how I call them too.
    C3 would be the 'high C', C2 the middle C, and C1 the low C
     
  6. Richard Oliver

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    I agree too. But then there's this. But if we put trumpeters in the center of the musical universe, then this other stuff isn't needed. :p
     
  7. Solar Bell

    Solar Bell Moderator Staff Member

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    Let's talk TRUMPET

    One octave above the TRUMPET tuning note C is HIGH C

    One octave above High Cis Double C

    The DOUBLES START AT DOUBLE C

    A G above high C is a G, a G above double C is a double G

    So on Richard's chart C5 is our tuning note.

    C6 is high C

    C7 is Double C and the doubles start above C7


    This is what is generally accepted among profession players. Do not walk into a gig saying you can play a double G and only hit a G above high C. You won't be invited back. Same thing with walking in with a double C and it is really only a high C.

    We need to put this thing to bed.



    -cw-
     
  8. Trumpet Dad

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    While "low", "middle", and "high" is somewhat arbitrary, If you are talking about A=440 then:

    C3 will ALWAYS equal 130.81 Hz (C on bass staff)
    C4 = 261.63 Hz (Middle C on the grand staff)
    A4 = 440.00 Hz
    C5 = 523.25 Hz (C on the treble staff)
    C6 = 1046.5 Hz (usually called "High C" on trumpet)
    C7 = 2093.0 Hz (usually called "Double High C" on trumpet)
    C8 = 4186.0 Hz (usually called "Triple C" or "Triple High C" on trumpet)

    This is part of the "American Standard" or "Scientific Pitch Notation" adopted in 1939 by the acoustical Society of America.

    Thanks Chuck, you beat me to it!
     
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  9. Bob Grier

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    There's middle C on the piano then there's middle C on the trumpet. In all my conversations with other trumpet players over the last 50 years I've never heard anyone use the piano model when talking about notes on a trumpet. We've always used the trumpet model. When we talked to other instrumentalist we have to adjust but among ourselves we talk trumpet. This is the only place where I've encountered trumpet players who use the piano model. I'm just saying, it would be nice if we could all use the same language. Or at least agree on the same language.
     
  10. Solar Bell

    Solar Bell Moderator Staff Member

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    One LAST time.

    Our tuning note C is C

    One octave above the tuning note is HIGH C

    One octave above High C is DOUBLE C

    The DOUBLES START AT DOUBLE C

    A DOUBLE G IS ABOVE DOUBLE C

    -cw-
     

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