Why do people try to sound dark?

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  1. tobylou8

    tobylou8 Utimate User

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  2. kingtrumpet

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    oh - I can get the 1055 Flair to blend with the community band (keeping in mind there are numerous instruments --- 3 or 4 Strads, a couple of Bachs --- the other 2 players in the 3rd trumpet section with me in the winter - both use cornets.. I can finesse the 1055 Flair, dial it down --- but it's easy to get "carried away" with it's volume and ease at many of the notes ------------------- that's why I use the 2055 Flair for winter (inside concerts) --that Flair, which is heavier and darker, is more suitable for the auditoriums ------------- oh, don't worry, I can get her to "sound out", but you really have to try ---- both Flairs are very different in my opinion ------ So yes, I can do a Duet with you anyday and with either Flair -- we can make it sound good ------- more than likely though, one Flair or the other will take some finesse, or some oomph to match what horn you are using --
     
  3. mchs3d

    mchs3d Mezzo Forte User

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    You know, using vague words like "dark" and "bright" just doesn't cut it. You have to relate a word to a sound. It's better to say, "I want to sound more Bud Herseth and less Wynton" or the other way if that's what you want.
     
  4. bumblebee

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    Perhaps if instead of comparing using the sight sense, we should use another sense, such as smell, touch or taste?

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  5. mchs3d

    mchs3d Mezzo Forte User

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    How about:

    "Your sound is like the smell of dog poop. Change it to the smell of fresh cut roses."
     
  6. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    The F trumpet was standard fair in Germany, Austria and Russia before the turn of the century. Due to its length and primarily cylindrical bore, it could be considered the last real "trumpet". My trumpet teacher here talked about the F trumpet players calling the modern Bb a "high Bb". The traditionalists were not happy with the "thin" sound of the modern horn, but security of playing became more important.......

    The F trumpet is what Schumann, Schubert, Strauss, Wagner, Mahler, Bruckner and the rest of the romantic composers had in mind.

    Today, the F trumpet is sometimes used for Tschaikowsky and Schostakovitsch. The sound is not light or dark, rather more like a natural trumpet with a royal auburn sheen. Pictures and sound bites to come!

    My horn uses a standard Bb mouthpiece and is not the contralto type of horn known in the US. Mine is pitched in "Vienna" pitch A=465. The F trumpet here was a soprano instrument.
     
  7. Sethoflagos

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    What Rimsky-Korsakov had to say about F trumpet (I think he's talking about the same thing):

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  8. kehaulani

    kehaulani Fortissimo User

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    So..then..would Herseth's sound be bright and Wynton's dark?
     
  9. jimc

    jimc Mezzo Piano User

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    No, he's not. The (old) orchestral F trumpet is not at all the same thing as the (slightly less old) alto trumpet in F.
     
  10. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

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    Instead of using "dark" and "bright" as extremes, let's use "dull" (I like the German term "dumpf" because of the way it sounds) for one end of the continuum and "tinny" (or "buzzsaw-ish") at the other. If we use these as the extremes of a bell curve we'll find that "dark" and "bright" are placed towards the middle, and not too far apart from each other.

    I believe playing with a sound that is resonant and rich can meet the needs for "darkness" and "brightness" all at the same time.
     

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