Why I Play Vintage

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by Dviglis, Dec 1, 2014.

  1. Dviglis

    Dviglis Mezzo Piano User

    Mar 29, 2014
    I am proud to say that do not own a single horn made past the year 1980. I play vintage because whenever any young student purchases their first pro horn, they feel this joy and splendor, and I feel the joy of the original owner, no matter how terrible of shape the horn is in, whenever I pick up a vintage horn. I feel that the sound is often much more colorful, and unique when compared to some modern trumpets that are pumped out like cheap trinkets. Not only that but, I feel the old world craftsmanship of the builder. I play knowing that someone spent days, sometimes months, delicately turning sheet brass into a beautiful instrument.

    I would love to hear some other people's opinions! Especially those who play modern horns!
  2. Martin Williams

    Martin Williams Mezzo Piano User

    Apr 29, 2005
    Columbus, Oh-hi-uh
    Well said. I also play mostly vintage horns because I hope all the bad notes have been blown out by the time I get it. Sadly this is not always the case!!!
  3. stumac

    stumac Fortissimo User

    Oct 19, 2008
    Flinders Vic Australia
    My favorite vintage horns are my 1941 Olds Super, 1949 Super Recording and 1970s Selmer Radials, my 2000 Selmer Concept TT and 2008 Eclipse MS will do all the vintage horns can do and sometimes easier.

    Some of my vintage horns I think have had all the good notes blown out of them and only the bad ones remain.

    Regards, Stuart.
  4. VetPsychWars

    VetPsychWars Fortissimo User

    Nov 8, 2006
    Greenfield WI
    I play vintage horns because I learned to play on my grandfather's Buescher 400 and it amuses me to continue playing Buescher. These horns, especially my Model 228 Lightweight 400, have fabulous intonation (I only use third slide on the C#) and a sound you just can't get on a Bach or a horn designed to sound like a Bach.

    I have standing offers for some of them. :-) (Now if I could only sell the extras I rarely play....)

  5. Rapier

    Rapier Forte User

    Jul 18, 2011
    I am the opposite. I like my horns to be as new as possible, made by modern craftsman with the best technology available.
  6. ConnDirectorFan

    ConnDirectorFan Fortissimo User

    Nov 5, 2010
    United States
    I feel as if some of the "best" vintage horns were built to standards that allowed them to stand the test of time and still be highly regarded today.

    I certainly did not create that statement, but I agree with it wholeheartedly. While some would disagree, the playing qualities, build quality, and overall design of "classics" such as Conn Connstellations/Victors, Martin Committees, vintage Schilkes, and Getzen Severinsens allow them to compete with horns made today. Yes, I am a little biased, but my main horns both were made in the last 5 years.

    Now, that point is easily refuted as it would seem recent developments [i. e. Harrelson, Monette] in trumpet manufacturing are starting to change that trend. Other trends would be that modern manufacturing [i. e. Yamaha] result in greater consistency, to the point that trying out multiple horns of the same model isn't necessary, perhaps.

    Kind of the middle, I feel, is Conn - whenever I play two of the same model of a vintage Conn or a new Conn/King, I feel that the two specimens seem reasonably close in characteristic - maybe not identical like Yamaha, but respectable enough to be called "the same". Instead of a horn having that "soul", it's the entire model-lineup that has that "soul"...

    Others argue that hype *cough*Committee*cough* takes the quality of the best examples of a given model, then blows it out of proportion. However, I think that could apply to many horns - but then again, the hype exists since there were some fantastic specimens! As for the decent specimens, they were close enough that people still like them.

    Then it boils down to...the best horn for the job - preference certainly playing a factor - if you like a 1950s horn better than a 2000s horn [i. e. you like the playing qualities better, the sound better, it creates your sound concept better, etc.], then that is your preference and that is the way it is.

    One might like the sound of a 1960s Amati cornet, but feel that the build/material quality isn't good. Then they pick up a 1990s Weril, find that the build/materials are better, but they don't like the sound as much...

    Oops, I restated a lot of stuff in a giant post...sorry :stars:
  7. Dupac

    Dupac Fortissimo User

    Aug 19, 2008
    Bordeaux, France.
    I have both vintage and modern horns. In fact, when I play a trumpet recently made by talented artisans (Lawler) or with the most accurate technology (Xeno), I'm just ahead of you: in fifty years they will be the vintages everyone want to have, and from where I'll be, oh Lord, I want to be in that number playing with all those old cats, I will smile happily... :grouphug:
  8. Ursa

    Ursa Piano User

    Jan 17, 2009
    Northern Michigan
    There is joy to be found in brasswinds both old and new. I happen to have a lot of old stuff simply because it's the best I could afford at the time of need.

    But I do get more attached to the vintage horns. The process of nursing each one from as-found to top playing condition with all the right accessories can involve considerable time and expense. I love that part of the journey.
  9. RonD

    RonD Pianissimo User

    Jun 22, 2014
    Ontario, Canada
    I would have agreed about vintage horns until I got my Adams A4.
    Even though it's a "larger" bore, I find it effortless to play.
    Even my first note of the day makes me happy!
    I can only attribute this to the craftsmanship.
  10. kehaulani

    kehaulani Fortissimo User

    May 14, 2011
    Hawaian homey
    I feel a placebo effect in the air.

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