Why is high #C easier for me than high C

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  1. frankmike

    frankmike Piano User

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    heres the deal

    I can play nice and strong high #C, but I am struggling with high C, It is because I find it difficult to play high with all open valves. But when play with valves depressed it becames easier.

    how come?

    I play high #C with 1,2 valve position -that is maybe the easiest valve combination foe me regarding upper register
     
  2. rettepnoj

    rettepnoj Fortissimo User

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    I have some problems with some notes when I'm using my GR mouthpieces. A friend of mine who use very shallow pieces have big troubles with high A's.

    With my Reeves piece I have all the notes:-)

    Have you tried different mouthpieces?
     
  3. frankmike

    frankmike Piano User

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    yes I have bach1c bach3c and bach7c -it is the same with all of them

    besides - I do not see a problem with mpc here? -maybe Im wrong -but it is only due to lenght of the pipe basically -the longer the pipe (all valves dovn - the easier it is to play higher), and the shorter the pipe (no valves) its harder :dontknow::dontknow:
     
  4. rettepnoj

    rettepnoj Fortissimo User

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    Probably not a mouthpiece problem for you, but I feel difference with different pieces! My lips don't fit for all of them. And yes, I know, It's (usually) the player, not the gear! I didn't say that this was the problem either, just asked if you had tried on different mouthpieces:-)

    My friend use a lot of alternativ fingering in the high register, and I think he use 1st valve on high c.
     
  5. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

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    If you talking about above finding it easier to play above the staff with more fingers, try pressing first valve for the high c, like rettepnoj suggests.
     
  6. trickg

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    I see this as an issue that could be a couple of things. By adding valves, you add more resistance, so that might be one reason that the C# speaks easier than the C. Another reason could be inherent to the horn and it could be that the C# is actually naturally more in tune than the C so you don't have to lip it to hit the middle of the slot. It could also be an ill-fitting mouthpiece with either too much or too little gap in the receiver, which is causing some issues with focus and slotting for the C that might not be present with the C#.

    Certain notes on many trumpets speak more clearly than others - a way that I believe rectifies that a great deal is by getting a valve alignment done. Bob Reeves would be my first stop for that (my Schilke B6 is Reeves aligned - would gladly pay to do it again) but others swear by the The Brass Bow, and I think there are a couple of other places that do it as well.

    FWIW, I've always had an issue with E and F above high C, and it switches back and forth. If I'm nailing the F, it's like I can't seem to find the the E, but if I'm nailing the E, then I can't find the F, so I think that's a chops thing.
     
  7. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

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    If C is an issue, then you have not really earned your high range yet. 1 note is NEVER a critical point and if the small bit of difference in resistance make or breaks 1 single note, then there are other issues that need much more attention.
     
  8. kingtrumpet

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    Yeah- I say it this way -- your at a breakpoint in your embouchure, where the lips just ain't jiving just right for that half step. but it can be cured. practice notes both sides of C#.
     
  9. frankmike

    frankmike Piano User

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    I cleaned trumpet and the lead pipe with a brush inside, and high C with open valves became much much easier, infact my range as a whole improved for about 4 tones, maybe more!!!!
     
  10. rettepnoj

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    :shhh::noway::lol:
     

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