Why is third part so important?

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by JZSYami, Nov 8, 2012.

  1. Vulgano Brother

    Vulgano Brother Moderator Staff Member

    Mar 23, 2006
    Parts Unknown
    Scroll down to the article "Last Chair can be Cool Too!" written by my alter-ego. http://itgyouth.trumpetguild.org/journaljr/ITGJjr0406.pdf

    It explains some of the aspects of playing third, another fun thing is being the bridge between the horns or trombones, so in addition to matching the sound of the principal trumpeter, we get to match the sound of the first horn and first trombone as well. Third players get to play louder than the first, yet remain "hidden." Ninja stuff!

    On some orchestral scores, the first and third part are written on one stave and the second on another. At one rehearsal the conductor stopped after a chord and said "we need more third and less second trumpet here." He had us play the chord again, shook his head violently, and checked the score more closely." We need more second and less third trumpet here!"


    Have fun and kick butt!
  2. BrianCade

    BrianCade New Friend

    Jun 30, 2012

    The part you play IS NOT a reflection of your worth as a person. Neither is it a measure of your manhood. It is a judgment call by your band director based on his perception of your ability. Solution? Show 'em just how much he underestimated you.
  3. VetPsychWars

    VetPsychWars Fortissimo User

    Nov 8, 2006
    Greenfield WI
  4. JZSYami

    JZSYami New Friend

    Sep 18, 2012
    Northern California
    maybe it would have been, but I was a victim of caste system

    If the LP/O trumpet section could be ancient Egypt this is what it would look like

    playing 1st part- Pharaohs, the section leaders.
    2nd part- mix of the priests and common people
    3rd part - the slaves, servants, the horses that draw the carts.
    Last chair- the dirt that the horses walk on.
  5. VetPsychWars

    VetPsychWars Fortissimo User

    Nov 8, 2006
    Greenfield WI
    Too bad, so sad, sucks to be you. Either you play because you like to play or you want sympathy. Guess what you're getting? :-)

  6. dorkdog

    dorkdog Pianissimo User

    Oct 14, 2012
    Melody defines the subject; harmony the background. A melody by itself is like an actor in a greenscreen shot. No perspective. No balance.


    It takes two notes to make a chord.
  7. Cornyandy

    Cornyandy Fortissimo User

    Jan 9, 2010
    East Yorkshire
    Even to a point front row parts have their undreneath bits. We play Jurrasic Park last night and there were harmonies on the front ro and as the newbie and fourth man down thats where I want. I was mainly the one filling the harmony out with "odd" notes. It was fun. I refer you to article 2 subsection 4 paragraph 6 of the Brass Band Code titled SUAPI

    Shut Up And Play It
  8. tedh1951

    tedh1951 Utimate User

    Oct 18, 2007
    The Wide Brown Land
    Harsh, but fair.
  9. Cornyandy

    Cornyandy Fortissimo User

    Jan 9, 2010
    East Yorkshire
    It was a joke Ted but the point being all parts are there for a reason
  10. BachStrad1

    BachStrad1 Pianissimo User

    Apr 9, 2012
    Kalamazoo MI
    Third part anchors the section. While it is true that in many bands, the lesser players are automatically put on third, this is not what is best for the band. In an ideal situation, you would have a section of players who are all capable of taking the principle seat. Then, what do you do? Someone needs to play the second and third parts and play them well. In many of the arrangements that our community band plays, the first second and third parts are all independant in many instances with the thirds being exposed on their own in some passages. We currently have 3 people on third as the lower parts do not project as well, but still must be heard and balanced. As a matter of fact, our principle third player is there by choice. he spent the fall season on first and hated it, especially when we had a "perfect storm" and our principle player was ill for 2 weeks before the concert and barely able to play for the concert. We split his solos and carried on without any problems. We are lucky to have a very deep section in this regard. We are attempting in dance band to put together a sections where any of us can cover any part. We're part-way there and it could happen in the next month or so. There is often a seniority system at work in many community bands and because you are the new guy, you'll start out on third. This can feel the same as the caste system, but it's not. Work in with the section and learn where you fit in in relationship to the other players and in the context of the section and enjoy yourself. Or decide that this situation is not for you and leave. Either way.

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