Why the 3rd valve slide?

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by hhsTrumpet, May 10, 2012.

  1. hhsTrumpet

    hhsTrumpet Piano User

    Dec 3, 2011
    Hello. It's been a while since I last posted here. I was just wondering why almost everyone uses the 3rd valve slide when getting the low D and C# to be in tune. Why not the 1st valve slide? Is there a specific reason for this? Isn't it easier to move your thumb than your ring finger, or is that just me?
  2. amzi

    amzi Forte User

    Feb 18, 2010
    Northern California
    For me, it's just the way I learned. I'd been playing for 30 years before I had a horn with a 1st valve trigger and it always felt uncomfortable for me so I rarely used it. (I also no longer have the horn.) I will admit that going from 1-3- or 1-2-3 to 2-3 fingering combinations can be easier, but my slide works well and I have no complaints.
  3. jiarby

    jiarby Fortissimo User

    May 7, 2011
    I kick out the 3rd slide for D, and add some 1st slide for C#
  4. trumpetsplus

    trumpetsplus Fortissimo User

    Jun 11, 2006
    South Salem, NY
    The fingerings of notes before and after the combination which requires the lengthened slide are less likely to use the 3rd slide than the first. Hence the 3rd slide can be extended before and retracted after the note rather than during it.
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  5. BigDub

    BigDub Fortissimo User

    Dec 19, 2009
    Hillsborough, NJ
    There are a lot more trumpets out there with just the third valve finger ring or movement capability than ones with the first valve trigger. Maybe that's why it's more universally available. Everyone is on the same page, so to speak. Some trumpets don't even have the third valve ring.......Martin Committee I think is one of them.
  6. Dupac

    Dupac Fortissimo User

    Aug 19, 2008
    Bordeaux, France.
    Gradually I got used to do mostly with the thumb : on my pocket trumpet, this moves the third slide, and on my Xeno, of course, the first one.
    I think I remember reading once that Rowuk was using more and more the first slide instead of the third one, but I may be wrong…
  7. tobylou8

    tobylou8 Utimate User

    Dec 22, 2008
    I've always used the 3rd slide on my 900H since I got it new. It has a plastic stop that is adjustable so you can "set it and forget it". I also have the trigger but use it less. 3rd slide fixes any pitch issue and my slide is very fast.
  8. Satchmo Brecker

    Satchmo Brecker Piano User

    Jul 19, 2010
    Do you guys use the third valve slide in certain situations, like slower passages? I try to use it as much as possible even during scale runs (especially in etudes) and a) it always seems to POP when I slide it back in and 2) by the time I've slid it out and in I'm on to the next note. And if I just leave it there a couple notes I find myself worrying about sliding it back in and so I end up flubbing other notes.
  9. Phil986

    Phil986 Forte User

    Nov 16, 2009
    Near Portland, OR.
    For me, 2 reasons: I find it easier to move the 3rd slide, and what Ivan said.

    This trumpeter shows what I think is pretty good use of tuning slides:
    Brandt: Etude No. 15 for Trumpet - YouTube

    Some might say that this is at the limit of the note duration at which one should worry about slides, but it certainly sounds better for it.
  10. Bob Grier

    Bob Grier Forte User

    May 4, 2007
    Greensboro, NC
    For myself I find it easier to use the third slide. For low C# I extend the slide at least twice as far as I do for low D. Doing this with the first slide is awkward. As far as popping, I move it really fast. I think of it as part of the fingering so it moves with the valves.

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