widening the passageway

Discussion in 'Trumpet Discussion' started by crowmanic, Jan 9, 2017.

  1. crowmanic

    crowmanic Piano User

    Nov 9, 2015
    I find that when I go from my medium bore Bb trumpet to my large bore Bb trumpet, and using the same mouthpiece in both, that I widen the air passageway of my lips to get a full sweet spot sound out of the Large Bore horn. Is anything wrong with this in terms of setting my embouchure?
  2. Leslie Colonello

    Leslie Colonello Pianissimo User

    Dec 17, 2016
    I'm going to jump in here first. You will get many opinions on this but here's mine. What you are doing has a technical name. It's called "playing your trumpet." Unless you can play two trumpets at the same time and need different apertures for each horn, what do you think is wrong with getting the optimal sound on the horn you are playing? Don't overthink this. I adapt my chops every time I play to find the sweet spot. I have no doubt I will be pilloried for such an UN-traditional approach, but all I do is play for a living, and you learn to adapt to what the horn gives you, and what the horn demands.
  3. J. Jericho

    J. Jericho Fortissimo User

    Mar 16, 2011
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  4. VetPsychWars

    VetPsychWars Fortissimo User

    Nov 8, 2006
    Greenfield WI
    It's not unreasonable that the resistance is different and you have to play each one differently. I prefer to use different mouthpieces in this case. I have one horn that blows really big, so I use a 28 throat on it... and a 26 throat on most of the others.

  5. rowuk

    rowuk Moderator Staff Member

    Jun 18, 2006
    I do not believe that we have that control of our aperature! The lips open and close like a valve. That means that they are "together" before we place the mouthpiece. We exhale through the lips, they are blown apart and would stay apart if not for the resonance of our horn making them open and close sympathetically with the partial series of the horn. This requires only a gentle tension of the chops. We do NOT decide aperature. If we artificially keep the lips apart, no sound comes out. If the lips are too pressed together, we have no decent sound.

    In my world, aperature is the RESULT of many factors. It is certainly not fixed as our lips are resonating at different frequencies and when playing more loudly, the lips move a greater distance between opening and closing.

    A less efficient trumpet could cause us to work harder for the same note and volume. We have no way of knowing what our aperature is doing at any specific time.
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  6. crowmanic

    crowmanic Piano User

    Nov 9, 2015
    I like the word "aperature" for what I'm talking about. It's interesting how the "RESULT" of aperature is more organic in trumpet playing as apposed to the aperature of a camera lens.
  7. crowmanic

    crowmanic Piano User

    Nov 9, 2015
    Beside throat size are there any other differences?
  8. trumpetnick

    trumpetnick Fortissimo User

    Nov 16, 2005
    Antalya, Turkey
    As pointed out, the result is what counts. Who cares what aperture you may have, what mouthpiece you use, as long as you get to make a beautiful sound, have decent register and are able to be consistent in your playing?
  9. GeorgeB

    GeorgeB Mezzo Piano User

    Apr 13, 2016
    New Glasgow, N.S. Canada
    I have two horns: one is a medium large bore and one is a medium small bore. I use the same MP for both. The sound I hear from each horn is completely different, especially the vintage one with the medium small bore, because it has a unique sound of its own. I don't think so much about the " sweet spot " thing. I just play the music the best I can and enjoy the different sound each horn delivers. If I owned a large bore horn ( which I probably will eventually ) I'm sure my approach will be no different. But I am just a hobby player. So what do I know ?
  10. Leslie Colonello

    Leslie Colonello Pianissimo User

    Dec 17, 2016
    You know plenty GeorgeB. You know to make the best music you can. That, in a nutshell is what we all strive for, hobby player or pro.

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