Wild Thing Bell

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  1. tom turner

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    Wild Thing Bell
    « Thread started on: 10/20/2003 at 23:12:15 »

    I have had the chance to see pictures of the Thang and the bell looks Huge. Was this trumpet designed around the rather large bell? What is the 411 on the Thang!

    TM

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    « Reply #1 on: 10/21/2003 at 20:33:15 »

    Hi TM,

    I think (although Tom can better comment on this than I) that the WT bell is actually a Soprano Bugle Bell.

    That's from the rumor mill, so don't quote me on that one!

    Take care, and keep on tooting!


    -Trent Austin
    Eclipse Instrument Performing Artist
    www.eclipsetrumpets.com

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    « Reply #2 on: 10/22/2003 at 11:50:14 »

    Trent,

    I've got a friend who is associated with Kanstul and he substantiates the rumor, it's a bugle bell ( not that that's a bad thing ). I've never played one ( WT ), so I have no opinion but they certainly do have their fans.


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    « Reply #3 on: 10/22/2003 at 21:59:29 »

    Hi,

    As an Army bandsman, I was issued a trumpet and the trumpet was the official instrument used in the Army for bugle calls.

    Gosh, what IS a bugle bell anyway? The Keyed Bugle of the 1840's-1860's had a bell flare much like a fluglehorn, not a trumpet. The WT is all trumpet!

    Here's the scoop on the WT bell flare and the comparisons with the bell flare on a horn Kanstul makes themselves:

    Kanstul makes a Bb TRUMPET called the "Colliseum Trumpet" (COL103). It is designed to be a very sturdy horn and is marketed as an ultimate outdoor . . . err "colliseum trumpet." In .470 bore for maximum power and a fast bell flare for a huge "sweet spot" sound field, it IS the ultimate horn for doing what it does. It's also designed to be very affordible!

    When Flip was doing experiments to design two or three trumpets to have Zig build him for his lifetime personal use, he really liked the COL103-type bell flare.

    These two instruments DO look a lot alike but are actually totally different instruments made for two totally different purposes. Flip wanted an ultimate, high performance trumpet for himself. Others who played it at a Jazz Festival (once Flip had three of 'em made for just himself), those cats wanted one for themselves . . . and said, "Man, that THING is WILD!" Suddenly Flip found himself in the pro horn business!

    Flip's bell IS actually different. He specified some changes in the COL103 bell but they look nearly identical!

    Flip's horn overall is different too! It is a lightweight type trumpet. Lightweight horns get super-fast response . . . even when playing at a faint whisper level, but the trade off is they are more delicate.

    Some lightweight trumpets get really edgy when overblown. The WT can't be overblown AND, when paired with the rich-sounding bell flare, the result is a horn of rich sound from a whisper to an ear-splitting fff!

    Where the COL103 is made to be tough and affordable, the WT is made to be delicate and to be a world-class instrument after Flip's personal enhancements and adjustments of every single horn that Kanstul makes for him.

    Lots of other differences in those two horns too . . . from leadpipes and forward . . . from construction to sound!

    Gosh, if I needed to march again, I'd probably get a 103 and save my WT for other duties!

    All I know for sure is . . . man, I LOVE that Wild Thing sound!

    I hope this helps! Flip, jump in there if I got any of this wrong!

    Sincerely,

    Tom Turner

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    « Reply #4 on: 10/22/2003 at 22:06:56 »

    Do the Wild thing C trumpets... and Wild thing cornets use a very large bell or is it only the Bb ?

    TM

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    « Reply #5 on: 10/23/2003 at 07:27:56 »

    Yes,

    The Wild Thing cornets and the Flip Oakes "C" trumpet (it is not called a Wild Thing) also use the fast taper bell design that Flip believes sounds best.

    All I know is that the really sound great and I've never had as many comments from folks as I do about my sound as I have since getting WT horns!

    As a vintage instrument buff, it is interesting to see how trumpet design and sound has evolved through the years

    . . . from tiny bore "pea shooter" trumpets that were long with little flare until the end of the bell that produced a harsh, brash sound

    . . . to the M and ML bore, more cornet-like trumpet of F. Besson 100 years ago with a richer sound

    . . . to what is happening today in the big bore horns of Flip Oakes.

    It is exciting to see the instrument continue to evolve and keep sounding "better!" Today's players have a wonderful smorgasboard of instruments out there to choose from.

    Sincererly,

    Tom Turner

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    « Reply #6 on: 10/23/2003 at 17:03:38 »

    Hello Everyone,

    The 1st. Flip Oakes Wild Thing Trumpet was made in April 1994, this was long before Kanstul made the 1st marching trumpet LB .470, that was discontinued, to be followed by the 103 Col. Marching trumpet.

    Both of the Kanstuls were made after the WT was developed...

    The WT has many different variables in it’s design, that makes it so different, and unique. When a customer gets my horn, it has also been completely set up by me personally, and gone through including the 'Digital Valve Alignment, including the Rotary Alignment, and the Enhancement Process. If you go to my website, you'll be able to read how meticulous I am in providing the best possible product to my valued customers. I simply try to treat customers, as how I would want to be treated. I tell my customers, when you get my horn, it will be as I advertise it. I have many customers who are amazed that it truly is what I claim it to be, I get emails all the time just stating that alone...

    All The Best,

    Flip Oakes


    Flip Oakes “Wild Thing Trumpetsâ€
    COME AND HEAR THE DIFFERENCE
    http://www.flipoakes.com

    "To read what Wild Thing owners say about their horns, click on this"
    http://www.flipoakes.com/testimonials.htm

    Flip Oakes
    2559 Mottino Dr.
    Oceanside, Ca. 92056
    760-643-1501
    760-643-1511 FAX

    To Hear the Flip Oakes Wild Thing Trumpet go to
    http://www.flipoakes.com/multimedia.htm

    « Reply #7 on: 10/23/2003 at 18:54:12 »

    "Both of the Kanstuls were made after the WT was developed... "

    Flip...I will certainly defer to your chronology of events. I'll have to slap my friend around a little, next time I see him, for giving me bad info. Sorry for contributing to a bad rumor. Thanks for setting it/us* straight.

    « Last Edit: 10/23/2003 at 18:56:11 by trumplyr

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    « Reply #8 on: 11/08/2003 at 15:28:01 »

    Hey Flip and Tom,

    WT is the best horn I've ever put to my chops. Easy response, clear beautiful sound, and when you push it get out of the way. Keep up the good work. Everybody that I let try the horn is impressed. I hate to put it down.

    Sincerely,
    Allan Linker
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    « Reply #9 on: 11/08/2003 at 15:56:52 »

    Hello Alan,

    Thank you so much, for that message. I get these kind of messages all the time in emails from 90% of my most recent customers. I just have no place to post them. I think it also shows others, and serves as a service to others, who not only play the horn as well, to to those who may be interested in acquiring one. As everyone knows this is a different instrument, and there are a lot of 'Arm Chair Quarterbacks" out there that have opinions, and who knows, if they have even seen one? And if so, are they really qualified to speak as a player, of how much experience. etc. This is a real hard thing to try to say, who can, and who can't etc. And I really don't want to be pointing fingers etc. I do sincerely thank you for your comments, and I have heard from others in your area in New Orleans, that you are a highly respected player, and coming from you, this means a lot to me, and hopefully to others as well.

    Take Care,

    Flip Oakes

    Flip Oakes “Wild Thing Trumpetsâ€
    COME AND HEAR THE DIFFERENCE
    http://www.flipoakes.com

    "To read what Wild Thing owners say about their horns, click on this"
    http://www.flipoakes.com/testimonials.htm

    Flip Oakes
    2559 Mottino Dr.
    Oceanside, Ca. 92056
    760-643-1501
    760-643-1511 FAX

    To Hear the Flip Oakes Wild Thing Trumpet go to
    http://www.flipoakes.com/multimedia.htm
     

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