Wynton speaks

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  1. Alex Yates

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    I just finished watching him play as part of Hurricane Relief on MSNBC with Harry Connick Jr and others. He also played on the "Early Show" this morning. Touching. I had chillbumps the entire time. Here is a link from this morning if anyone is interested.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2005/09/02/earlyshow/main813605.shtml

    There is so much I want to say, but I will just say that my soul aches for those folks and our country. I can feel it Wynton's playing and see it in his eyes.
     
  2. uatrmpt

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    Too bad they didn't let him speak on the NBC special instead of Kanye West. That's what happens when you let a thug on live tv. Of all the classy black people they passed over, they put him on there. Good job NBC.

    BTW, Wynton has been an exemplary spokesman for New Orleans during this time. Wouldn't it be great if he and Harry Connick, Jr. teamed up for some sort of tour or recording project as a fundraiser?
     
  3. Alex Yates

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    I agree Matt, and I bet they will get together. I am sure Harry and Wynton could pack any house. Oh, and the fantastic music they would make! Bring it on. :play:
     
  4. TrentAustin

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    Sorry, I'm jumping on the soapbox here.

    I don't think Kanye West is a thug... I think emotions for him just boiled over.... he obviously is feeling what we all are feeling. Should he have stayed on script? Of course!!! It was not the moment for that. He's young, angry, and frustrated about how the situation in New Orleans is unfolding. He's not in the minority, that's for sure.

    I'm sure Wynton would have handled it better, of course. He's an extremely elegant man and in my opinion an incredible ambassador of the music. Perhaps he had some words with young Mr. West. He'll grow, we'll grow as people and move on. Who knows how I would have reacted in the same situation... seeing these conditions.

    It so hard to think that the strongest nation in the world can't even take care of its own... especially the people who need the support the most. These people in New Orleans couldn't afford to leave the city. From all accounts from the media during the first few days it looked like they are being left to die. I know that's not the the case but I just don't know why the US government didn't have measures in place for this sort of tragedy.

    It was inevitable the city would have been rocked by this disaster. It's incredibly tragic. I'm disgusted by the efforts our federal government has taken (or more appropriately didn't take and haven't taken) in terms of PREVENTIVE measures in this tragedy.

    I think the US government is too reactionary (sorry for the poor word choice) and not thinking ahead. This attitude of "it's not going to happen" does NOT work and now possibly thousands of people have lost their lives. It makes me sick to my stomach.


    I've donated to the Red Cross, and will donate more. Anyone who'd like to purchase a CD you can send the redcross $15 and PM your confirmation code. I'll send you one if you want to help the cause. We as Americans need to all bond together, no matter what our thoughts are in the matter.

    These are my thoughts, and I'm sticking to them. I hope that we can all grow from this. Give as much as you can... my wife and I don't have much but we're giving more and will give more. Hug your loved ones and thank God you have a roof, water, food, and sanity in your lives. Pray for the people who are suffering more than we can imagine.

    -T
     
  5. uatrmpt

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    The question is this: Did Kanye West's behavior help or hurt his cause? I believe that it has hurt it. I, personally, am going to send my help in other directions now. I am committed to helping, but not condoning his behavior.

    BTW, he got edited out on the West Coast tape-delay. Good choice.
     
  6. TrentAustin

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    I agree totally about the West coast edit Matt....those comments definitely did not need to be on that broadcast. I hope you realize that on live tv antyhing can happen (I think I missed one note on live tv about 10 years ago... maybe.... well... not exactly) and sadly we saw a perfect example of why most agencies have ten second delays on any running tape.

    I think we're all feeling really sad and it's very unfortunate that ALL of this happened. What we can do is bond together and make the south feel like we care. You're much closer to this than I am, but I have special ties to NOLA as my wife and I were almost ready to buy a house there before she got a permanent position here in Boston.

    Like I said above, we'll all grow to be better citizens out of this. Don't let one man's opinions prevent you from being a better person and compassionate American (which I know you are!).

    Best always,

    Trent
     
  7. uatrmpt

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    Trent, you hit the nail on the head as to what we need to do as Americans. Things are already getting tight here in 'Bama. Gas stations are running out of gas. There are 500+ people staying in my school's student rec center.

    I know that people are confused and angry, and will become even moreso, but it really angers me when people are coming together to try and provide some help and one man ruins it. Tomorrow, and Sunday, and Monday, people aren't going to be talking about the artistry shown by Wynton, and Faith Hill, and Tim McGraw, and Harry Connick Jr. They're going to talk about one man running his mouth, dividing people even more, and getting even less done.

    As for me, I hope I can find somebody tomorrow while I'm tailgaiting treat them to a meal. These people need any joy they can find.
     
  8. Manny Laureano

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    http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,168387,00.html

    Lovely, just flipping lovely.

    Well, let's see, Kanye...

    1) Originally it was thought by all that New Orleans was going to be missed by Katrina and is headed for Biloxi, Mississippi

    2) New Orleans was hit by Katrina, with strength of which has been endured by that city many times since 1927 when it sustained great loss of life

    3) Monday, high winds, buffeting rain but nothing they haven't gotten through before

    4) Tuesday early, the levees breech and hell is unleashed upon the citizens of New Orleans

    5) When the flood levels off the looting, rapes, and mayhem leading to death begin. 20% of the NO police are gone. The call for buses to take people from the Dome to Houston and Dallas begins. Bush has by this time left Crawford and is assembling the cabinet in Washington to figure out what the roles of the feds and FEMA are to be

    6) The national guard is called Wednesday and by Thursday tens of thousands have been transported to Texas and other parts nearby. Some guardsmen try to look for and help survivors, others go to seal up the levees. A levee breaks again. The Army seals it up again. Meanwhile, lawlessness is rampant and officers are being killed, national gurdsmen fear for their lives as 'copters are being shot at in the act of bringing aid to people on rooftops. More police officers go missing.

    7) Friday brings the news that there is no more room in the domes in neighboring states but the buses keep coming although there's nowhere for them to go. The president goes to Biloxi to lend support and comfort. The national guard drops water, food, medicine wherever they can while looking for random fire in their direction. A chemical plant blows up, cause unknown. There are various fires of indeterminate origin all over.

    This levee failure has been predicted for a long time. Loiusiana has had a very long time to get this in order. Nobody thought it would happen. They continued to gamble and lost. Kanye West is an irresponsible jerk and symptomatic of the problem that's currently making a bad situation worse in New Orleans, shooting off his mouth at the most convenient target. Let him go stand in the water and shoot his mouth off without the benefit of cameras to let people know he's famous. Let him just be another guy standing in the water and let's see how safe he feels.

    Sorry... no, check that, I'm not sorry for what I said. I mean every word. Useless bickering and finger pointing without full knowledge of the situation helps no one and Kanye West or whomever the hell he is should be ashamed of himself. His comments helped nothing.

    ML
     
  9. ChasStarr

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    First, I've lived in Louisiana all my life and I love this state and New Orleans. But, before anyone levees judgement that the federal government didn't do their job to prevent or help to prevent this tragedy needs to understand Louisiana.

    N.O. and Louisiana has always to some extent had a "head in the sand" posture when it comes to a lot of different areas:

    1. Politics: a former governor in federal prison who was re-elected by the people after his scandal ridden first two terms when he wasn't convicted despite overwhelming evidence. Do any of you remember who the other choice was? David Duke, the former Ku Klux Klansman, who mentioned in speeches that all non-whites are mongrels (which I am one by the way, not a mongrel :roll: , a non-white) Some choice we had. First and only election I didn't vote in. I couldn't hold my nose long enough to go and pull a lever.

    By the way, Mayor Nagin of NO said some things earlier today in an interview, that were not to dissimiliar to what Kanye said on TV tonight. Now, I can cut Kanye a bit of slack because "attitude reflects leadership" and no way in public can Mayor Nagin disrespect The President the way he did and not expect to have problems filter down to those who look to him for their cues. A leader leads in a way that inspires and gives hope. Not through venting profanity laced diatribes.

    2. Education: I believe we are currently ranked #49, but that may be generous. We have a high percentage of non-certified teachers in the classrooms as compared to other high performing states, some who are only concerned about tenure, absent parents, no parents, parents who use the school system as a baby sitter, and we celebrate when test scores go up, but are still found at the bottom when compared nationally. I'm not saying when test scores go up we shouldn't be happy, but to celebrate with headlines across the state newspapers trumpeting how "great we are doing" just doesn't seem totally trustworthy.

    3. Healthcare: Again, ranked near or at the bottom in infant mortality, obesity, smoking, cancer rates, and believe it or not...we have one of the highest rates in the U.S. per capita for sexually transmitted diseases.

    4. Quality of life: Just check Forbes, Money Magazine, or USA Today for their ratings of the best and worst places to live.

    Now, we in Louisiana have known for several decades (Manny's right) that the levee systems around New Orleans were not meant to withstand anything more than a category 3 storm. What did we do about it? Nothing, except to build one heckuva nice casino in NO, guarantee the Saints millions of dollars per year to stay, and open trade agreements with Cuba. Is all this bad? Maybe, maybe not. Agree or Disagree, it really doesn't matter. The bottom line is we haven't done as a state and as Louisiana citizens what we needed to do to help ourselves first.

    We didn't insist to those elected, those in charge of the public trust to do what they should do in the first place...do what's right!

    Maybe, we should have state officials take part of the hippocratic oath when they take office, "First, do no harm". Maybe we as voters should do the same.

    I have co-workers who have lost everything, two fellow trumpet players in my big band who are part of the disaster relief effort in NO who I keep in touch with frequently, and a boss who is trying to get back to see if he has anything left.

    If you pray, pray for those. If you don't pray, keep a good thought. If you can help monetarily, thanks in advance. (Trent, what a thoughtful and kind gesture) and please, pray and remember and help those thousands left in what used to be (and what will be again) the most unique city in the U.S. Don't let what a celebrity says on TV divide us.

    We have several folks here in my home sleeping on the floor who have stories that will break your heart. They have lost everything that most of us would hold dear and near. What they have not lost is HOPE! My wife can't stop crying for them, especially the kids. My kids 15 and 6 have volunteered to help in our church's shelter and food/clothes distr. center. I never would have thought that possible. We all have learned lessons in this tragedy.

    Thanks for listening.

    Charles in Louisiana
     
  10. TrentAustin

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    Amen, Manny... let's all bond together in other ways than worry about what he says. I think we have slightly different opinions about what he said but we are BOTH completely agreeing that was the worst possible time to say that and be that way.

    Take care, and keep praying for our fellow Americans. It makes me so sick to think that all this is happening on our soil, but makes me more resolved to help in any and every way that I can.

    -T
     

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