Daily Routine? - Page 2

B15M · 02-20-2008, 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

There is some debatable stuff in here for sure!

A deep relaxed breath is not "normal". There is no human state that has a relaxed BIG breath. Big breaths are natural in panic situations where they are all but relaxed. In sports, we also take a big breath, but very forcefully. One needs to fill up to get a big sound in any case.

It may be commonplace in America to articulate without stopping the air, but there is plenty of repertory that requires something other than legato. I prefer many pieces of orchestral music played by europeans because they are not afraid to clearly articulate! High brass player that want a big sound use Tooh not Teeh or Taah.

The buzz in a mouthpiece does not get "amplified" by the horn. The buzz gets the trumpet resonating and that is amplified. Listen to the sound of your buzz and imagine that amplified - pretty big difference to what should come out of a trumpet.

Playing efficiently means adjusting breathing, embouchure and articulation to let the horn do most of the work. the more relaxed our approach, the better the results.

The concept of a warm up is also subject to great contention. I have a daily routine for all of my students, but NO warm up. Sometimes we jump right in to playing tunes, sometimes we start with long tones and lip slurs. They have to be able to survive in both worlds. No artificial dependencies for my kids!

Some day we have to sit down and play duets

amtrpt · 02-20-2008, 10:14 PM

Hi,
I would say this about all of the information so far in this thread. All information is good. As musicians and learners it is always our job to sift through the information and come up with what works for us. Think of it as beauty being in the eye of the beholder. What may work for one may not work for another.

Andrew

ps. Tatakata, how is the stretching and breathing going?

mrtrpt · 02-20-2008, 10:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

There is some debatable stuff in here for sure!

A deep relaxed breath is not "normal". There is no human state that has a relaxed BIG breath.

Really? What about a yawn.....

B15M · 02-20-2008, 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrpt

Really? What about a yawn.....

I'm not relaxed when I yawn

Vulgano Brother · 02-21-2008, 01:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

A deep relaxed breath is not "normal".

Here at the Mission we see lots of "normal" things. Women and children for whom physical and sexual abuse was a "normal" part of growing up. People with addictions who suffer withdrawal symptoms, because to be loaded is "normal." None of these are natural, but anything can become "normal."

I would propose that a deep relaxed breath is an oxymoron. Breathing deeply does take us further than a lazy breath (or yawn). We do pack quite a bit of air in, but strive to do it with as little un-needed tension as possible. While not natural, with practice it can become normal. Anything can.

Patric_Bernard · 02-21-2008, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrtrpt

Really? What about a yawn.....

I want you to yawn right now, but at the very top of the yawn, right before you exhale, take in more air. I bet you a million dollars that you can. THAT is what a big breath is, and being able to do that relaxed is what makes breathing an art.

Huggy Bear · 02-21-2008, 02:26 PM

Yo, what's up my homies? The pimp daddy of all pimp daddy's is in the hizzie here on the TM. Huggy has an idea for you for breathing......

Breathe through your nose to full capacity. Can you still breath more through your mouth? Fo' Shizzle. But, you don't want to.....that's when you start introducing all kinds of tension. Breathing in and out can be relaxing. LET the breath in and LET the breath out....NO PUSHING! You have to take a large enough breath, though....depending on the length of the phrase.....so you can be above the relaxation/pressure curve when the air want to just come out on its own. Then the direction of the phrase and the internal concept of sound will get the air to whatever speed is necessary. At least that's what my teacher told me (don't hate, Rowuk).

As far as a daily routine.....I want to know more about Mr. McCandless' ideas here. He's my new second favorite classical player (michael sachs is still my fave). Huggy just alternates some buzzing and flow studies and then hit all the different areas of technique briefly. That's all I can do before the bus comes for school.

Love,

Huggy Daddy

tatakata · 02-21-2008, 05:34 PM

It's going well Andrew. I am enjoying starting off my practice routine with out touching the trumpet. I feel more focused when I go to play my first notes

Quote:

Originally Posted by amtrpt

Hi,

ps. Tatakata, how is the stretching and breathing going?

tatakata · 02-21-2008, 05:37 PM

what an intro Huggy

wow.

I like your ideas on breathing. sometimes I feel like we make it too complicated. If you are alive it's probably working fairly well. No need to make it complicated.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Huggy Bear

Yo, what's up my homies? The pimp daddy of all pimp daddy's is in the hizzie here on the TM. Huggy has an idea for you for breathing......

Breathe through your nose to full capacity. Can you still breath more through your mouth? Fo' Shizzle. But, you don't want to.....that's when you start introducing all kinds of tension. Breathing in and out can be relaxing. LET the breath in and LET the breath out....NO PUSHING! You have to take a large enough breath, though....depending on the length of the phrase.....so you can be above the relaxation/pressure curve when the air want to just come out on its own. Then the direction of the phrase and the internal concept of sound will get the air to whatever speed is necessary. At least that's what my teacher told me (don't hate, Rowuk).

As far as a daily routine.....I want to know more about Mr. McCandless' ideas here. He's my new second favorite classical player (michael sachs is still my fave). Huggy just alternates some buzzing and flow studies and then hit all the different areas of technique briefly. That's all I can do before the bus comes for school.

Love,

Huggy Daddy

amtrpt · 02-21-2008, 05:39 PM

Ok I was trying to duck and dodge this one, but I think Huggy has flattered me into getting involved.
I think there is nothing more relaxing than a slow deep breath that fills the lungs to capacity, and is then released from the body the same way that it goes in, especially if I am feeling tense. Yawning is also very relaxing for me. It's such a natural intake of air. I say to my students often that the ideal breath would be to yawn before every entrance.
This is how I try to think of it. The actual sound of the trumpet starts with the vibration of the lips. However the sound is being set up much sooner than that. I believe that the air basically comes out how we take it in. If we take a relaxed breath without tension then the air will come out relaxed, regardless of how much air we take. To get our lungs full of air we do not have to force it. As we let the air out of our lungs I try to think of releasing the air towards the lips. I never want to think of words like push or force. Another good word could be to move the air forward. As Huggy said, "don't push".
There is a lot more to go on about with this topic, but I'm out of energy for now. I do want to ask Huggy though what it would take to replace Mike Sachs as number 1? Let me know and I'll see if it can be done.
Later,
Andrew

ps. tatakata--I'm glad too hear that the stretching is helping.

02-20-2008, 10:14 PM	#12 (permalink)
amtrpt Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: toronto Posts: 176	Re: Daily Routine? Hi, I would say this about all of the information so far in this thread. All information is good. As musicians and learners it is always our job to sift through the information and come up with what works for us. Think of it as beauty being in the eye of the beholder. What may work for one may not work for another. Andrew ps. Tatakata, how is the stretching and breathing going?

02-21-2008, 02:26 PM	#17 (permalink)
Huggy Bear Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Berea, OH Posts: 142	Re: Daily Routine? Yo, what's up my homies? The pimp daddy of all pimp daddy's is in the hizzie here on the TM. Huggy has an idea for you for breathing...... Breathe through your nose to full capacity. Can you still breath more through your mouth? Fo' Shizzle. But, you don't want to.....that's when you start introducing all kinds of tension. Breathing in and out can be relaxing. LET the breath in and LET the breath out....NO PUSHING! You have to take a large enough breath, though....depending on the length of the phrase.....so you can be above the relaxation/pressure curve when the air want to just come out on its own. Then the direction of the phrase and the internal concept of sound will get the air to whatever speed is necessary. At least that's what my teacher told me (don't hate, Rowuk). As far as a daily routine.....I want to know more about Mr. McCandless' ideas here. He's my new second favorite classical player (michael sachs is still my fave). Huggy just alternates some buzzing and flow studies and then hit all the different areas of technique briefly. That's all I can do before the bus comes for school. Love, Huggy Daddy

02-21-2008, 05:39 PM	#20 (permalink)
amtrpt Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: toronto Posts: 176	Re: Daily Routine? Ok I was trying to duck and dodge this one, but I think Huggy has flattered me into getting involved. I think there is nothing more relaxing than a slow deep breath that fills the lungs to capacity, and is then released from the body the same way that it goes in, especially if I am feeling tense. Yawning is also very relaxing for me. It's such a natural intake of air. I say to my students often that the ideal breath would be to yawn before every entrance. This is how I try to think of it. The actual sound of the trumpet starts with the vibration of the lips. However the sound is being set up much sooner than that. I believe that the air basically comes out how we take it in. If we take a relaxed breath without tension then the air will come out relaxed, regardless of how much air we take. To get our lungs full of air we do not have to force it. As we let the air out of our lungs I try to think of releasing the air towards the lips. I never want to think of words like push or force. Another good word could be to move the air forward. As Huggy said, "don't push". There is a lot more to go on about with this topic, but I'm out of energy for now. I do want to ask Huggy though what it would take to replace Mike Sachs as number 1? Let me know and I'll see if it can be done. Later, Andrew ps. tatakata--I'm glad too hear that the stretching is helping. Last edited by amtrpt; 02-21-2008 at 06:05 PM.

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