Lacquer Removal. - Page 3

et_mike · 12-13-2007, 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jazz9

Would it be suggested for a somewhat inexperienced player? I'm not really sure how to do it, but if it would help, I would definitely do it.

Jazz9,
Don't get "improved sound" and "improved feel" confused with better playing. Removing the lacquer from your horn will not make you play any better... only practice can do that! However, lots of guys take the lacquer off their horns, or buy horns without lacquer to start with, simply because it helps them find the personal tone they are looking for.

Removing the lacquer can "free" the metal of the horn and allow it to resonate more naturally. Giving a darker tone usually sought after in the jazz world.

brem · 12-13-2007, 10:27 AM

You see, for me, removing the lacquer brightened the sound. Go figure.
Then, I added a heavy bottom cap on the 3rd valve to darken it.

HEHEHEHEHE

et_mike · 12-13-2007, 10:32 AM

Yeah... brighter would make more sense I think... more resonation equals more harmonics equals brighter sound, was my line of thinking... but my jazz friend told me he removed the lacquer for a darker sounds... at any rate, I just pass the info along... my horn still has lacquer! lol

quick question though... was there a reason you only put the heavy cap on the third valve and not all three??

brem · 12-13-2007, 10:58 AM

et: yes, I feel it's simply too heavy with all three. I have to work much harder to produce vibration and thus have less endurance. I'm still experimenting, so I'm probably going to change my mind 12,000 times in the next few months :)

et_mike · 12-13-2007, 11:00 AM

lol... cool! I was just curious... I have been flirting with trying some heavy caps out... but don't know if I wan't to spend the money and then find out I don't really like it! I guess I could do it and then just re-sell them if I don't like 'em. What brand did you go with?

Mike

brassmojo · 12-13-2007, 12:05 PM

Go this link, "Schilke Brass Clinic" and discover the reason to remover lacquer off the bell.
Schilke Brass Clinic

brem · 12-13-2007, 12:06 PM

I lucked out on an ebay auction, I got three heavy caps for like 15$.
I might not have shelled the money for it either.

I'll keep you posted on how it goes. I've only had them for a few weeks (and now my trumpet is in repair... sooooo).

MFfan · 12-13-2007, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brem

I lucked out on an ebay auction, I got three heavy caps for like 15$.
I might not have shelled the money for it either.

I'll keep you posted on how it goes. I've only had them for a few weeks (and now my trumpet is in repair... sooooo).

I bought 3 heavy Bach caps for my horn a couple of months ago and like the seemingly improved tone and slotting. $21 I think. I also used the oven cleaner method this afternoon on my old Besson trumpet with crummy lacquer and it is taking it off very well, despite temp in the 30's out in the garage. What's next? Brasso for polishing ? Thanks

brem · 12-13-2007, 04:10 PM

yes, brasso. :)

or silvo if you're out of brasso, but brasso works better.

rowuk · 12-13-2007, 04:13 PM

The brighter versus darker argument makes perfect sense:
A bell damped by laquer is LESS resonant - the audience gets a more brilliant sound and the player hears a darker sound reflecting off of the outside of the bell. Take the laquer off and the opposite happens.

12-13-2007, 10:27 AM	#22 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 676	Re: Lacquer Removal. You see, for me, removing the lacquer brightened the sound. Go figure. Then, I added a heavy bottom cap on the 3rd valve to darken it. HEHEHEHEHE __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

12-13-2007, 10:32 AM	#23 (permalink)
et_mike Piano User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 470	Re: Lacquer Removal. Yeah... brighter would make more sense I think... more resonation equals more harmonics equals brighter sound, was my line of thinking... but my jazz friend told me he removed the lacquer for a darker sounds... at any rate, I just pass the info along... my horn still has lacquer! lol quick question though... was there a reason you only put the heavy cap on the third valve and not all three??

12-13-2007, 10:58 AM	#24 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 676	Re: Lacquer Removal. et: yes, I feel it's simply too heavy with all three. I have to work much harder to produce vibration and thus have less endurance. I'm still experimenting, so I'm probably going to change my mind 12,000 times in the next few months :) __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

12-13-2007, 11:00 AM	#25 (permalink)
et_mike Piano User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Chesapeake, VA Posts: 470	Re: Lacquer Removal. lol... cool! I was just curious... I have been flirting with trying some heavy caps out... but don't know if I wan't to spend the money and then find out I don't really like it! I guess I could do it and then just re-sell them if I don't like 'em. What brand did you go with? Mike

12-13-2007, 12:05 PM	#26 (permalink)
brassmojo Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2007 Posts: 56	Re: Lacquer Removal. Go this link, "Schilke Brass Clinic" and discover the reason to remover lacquer off the bell. Schilke Brass Clinic

12-13-2007, 12:06 PM	#27 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 676	Re: Lacquer Removal. I lucked out on an ebay auction, I got three heavy caps for like 15$. I might not have shelled the money for it either. I'll keep you posted on how it goes. I've only had them for a few weeks (and now my trumpet is in repair... sooooo). __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

12-13-2007, 04:10 PM	#29 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 676	Re: Lacquer Removal. yes, brasso. :) or silvo if you're out of brasso, but brasso works better. __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

12-13-2007, 04:13 PM	#30 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,367	Re: Lacquer Removal. The brighter versus darker argument makes perfect sense: A bell damped by laquer is LESS resonant - the audience gets a more brilliant sound and the player hears a darker sound reflecting off of the outside of the bell. Take the laquer off and the opposite happens. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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