Lacquer Removal. - Page 4

Vulgano Brother · 12-13-2007, 04:27 PM

Not to be forgotten is the ugliness factor--if a trumpet is truly ugly, the audience will assume that a.) it must be an excellent instrument (otherwise no one in their right mind would play an ugly bad trumpet) and b.) the player must be excellent as well (or at least excellent enough not to care if the instrument is ugly or not). Unlacquered brass with a bit of a patina is more than being about sound or fashion--it makes a statement!

jazz9 · 12-13-2007, 07:20 PM

Can anyone give me a link to a de-laquered trumpet? Also, what in the world are heavy caps used for?

jazz9 · 12-13-2007, 07:20 PM

Sorry, I meant a link to a picture of a de-laquered trumpet.

Vulgano Brother · 12-13-2007, 07:27 PM

If polished, the unlacquered trumpet looks just like a lacquered one. If unpolished, well check out some pennys--unlacquered trumpets will "age" the same way until they are polished again.

Heavy bottom caps, by adding mass to the valve block, can make the horn feel more stable while playing, with better slotting. This may or may not be something we desire.

MFfan · 12-13-2007, 08:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by brem

yes, brasso. :)

or silvo if you're out of brasso, but brasso works better.

Thanks Brem, I'll get some tomorrow. Like the way the horn sounds now and that mottled dark finish is kind of.............unique for me, sets off the nickled parts.

brem · 12-13-2007, 11:08 PM

I just got back from the music repair shop (where the guy did a botched job, but that's another story), so I'll take a picture of my unlackered horn WITH a heavy bottom valve cap (two birds with one stone!).

brem · 12-14-2007, 12:49 AM

This is my trumpet with the lacquer removed. You can compare with the pictures under my signature. It's the same horn, before the process.

The second picture is that of the pistons, and of the heavy bottom cap on the third one. Please excuse the dirt, I didn't shine it yet, just got it back from the repair shop.

MFfan · 12-14-2007, 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MFfan

Thanks Brem, I'll get some tomorrow. Like the way the horn sounds now and that mottled dark finish is kind of.............unique for me, sets off the nickled parts.

Well, I got impatient and didn't feel like going to the store, so I looked thru the kitchen cupboard and found some Copper Glo powder cleans which says its good for brass too! My wife says, why not do the bottoms of the Revere Ware while you're at it, so I did. Anyway, after working with Copper Glo, rough side of a sponge and a brillo type pad, I got most of the residue dark mottled stuff and some more nasty stuff and it looks pretty decent. WILL get Brasso though and work on it some more. Not a valuable horn and the valves are problematical, so a good one to gain experience on. Has a great bright tone, though.

jazz9 · 12-15-2007, 03:06 PM

Thanks for the pictures, brem. Can you send a trumpet to a repair shop and get it de-lacquered?

brem · 12-15-2007, 05:51 PM

Yes, you can.

12-13-2007, 04:27 PM	#31 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,232	Re: Lacquer Removal. Not to be forgotten is the ugliness factor--if a trumpet is truly ugly, the audience will assume that a.) it must be an excellent instrument (otherwise no one in their right mind would play an ugly bad trumpet) and b.) the player must be excellent as well (or at least excellent enough not to care if the instrument is ugly or not). Unlacquered brass with a bit of a patina is more than being about sound or fashion--it makes a statement! __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org Last edited by Vulgano Brother; 12-13-2007 at 07:24 PM.

12-13-2007, 07:20 PM	#32 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	Re: Lacquer Removal. Can anyone give me a link to a de-laquered trumpet? Also, what in the world are heavy caps used for?

12-13-2007, 07:20 PM	#33 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	Re: Lacquer Removal. Sorry, I meant a link to a picture of a de-laquered trumpet.

12-13-2007, 07:27 PM	#34 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,232	Re: Lacquer Removal. If polished, the unlacquered trumpet looks just like a lacquered one. If unpolished, well check out some pennys--unlacquered trumpets will "age" the same way until they are polished again. Heavy bottom caps, by adding mass to the valve block, can make the horn feel more stable while playing, with better slotting. This may or may not be something we desire. __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

12-13-2007, 11:08 PM	#36 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 662	Re: Lacquer Removal. I just got back from the music repair shop (where the guy did a botched job, but that's another story), so I'll take a picture of my unlackered horn WITH a heavy bottom valve cap (two birds with one stone!). __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

12-14-2007, 12:49 AM	#37 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 662	Re: Lacquer Removal. This is my trumpet with the lacquer removed. You can compare with the pictures under my signature. It's the same horn, before the process. The second picture is that of the pistons, and of the heavy bottom cap on the third one. Please excuse the dirt, I didn't shine it yet, just got it back from the repair shop. __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

12-15-2007, 03:06 PM	#39 (permalink)
jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 283	Re: Lacquer Removal. Thanks for the pictures, brem. Can you send a trumpet to a repair shop and get it de-lacquered?

12-15-2007, 05:51 PM	#40 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 662	Re: Lacquer Removal. Yes, you can. __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

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