A parent looking to buy HS student new trumpet - Page 3

slimshady · 10-26-2004, 06:35 PM

Just buy a Bach Strad.

After owning quite a few different horns I am now back on a Bach. We all get excited about finding a magic horn but the a Bach can always get the job done. Every Kanstul I owned had an amazingly rich sound and I adjusted to the different slotting. But every time I'd blow thru a students bach I would remember that bach feel and I'd want it back. Guess what when I found the Bach I know play and thought it sounded even better than my Kanstul.....no one....could tell a lick a difference.

Therefore I say go for the one that feels the best and gets the job done. Don't worry about the sound because it is extremely difficult for anyone to tell a difference unless you play two horns back to back and the differences will still be subtle.

Buy a Bach! It will work! And if your son becomes a pro and becomes obsessed with equipment then let him spend the extra cash on the fancy horn.

One exception. If you are filthy rich......go ahead and buy him an eclipse.

trickg · 10-26-2004, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stcman

I know I'm a little late posting here, but if you are worried about your son possibly quitting you should not go out and buy a Schilke. I owned a B3 that was great, but they are pricey.

Dylan

Yes, Schilkes are pricey. But, they also hold their value better than virtually any other horn out there.

cornetmike · 11-26-2004, 01:15 AM

I know I'm waaaay late posting on this topic, but I've heard on other forums about quality control problems with Bach Strads. And I've heard about this too often without letting it pass without asking about it. "Only one in five is truly great," "There was a big drop of solder in one of the valve slides," "I played four of the same model and they were all somehow different," "I had to try four or five before I found one I liked," etc.

And nearly everyone agrees that pre-Selmer Strads are superior. Any comments???

warm regards, cornetmike

MUSICandCHARACTER · 11-26-2004, 06:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cornetmike

I know I'm waaaay late posting on this topic, but I've heard on other forums about quality control problems with Bach Strads. And I've heard about this too often without letting it pass without asking about it. "Only one in five is truly great," "There was a big drop of solder in one of the valve slides," "I played four of the same model and they were all somehow different," "I had to try four or five before I found one I liked," etc.

And nearly everyone agrees that pre-Selmer Strads are superior. Any comments???

I do think Bach QC suffered for awhile. I also think that was overblown a bit. The pre-Selmer strads are the NY/Mt. Vernons -- different animals altogether.

It seems recently the QC at Bach is much better. I have heard less and less about the poor quality as of late. Of course The Kanstul 1503/1504 Signature trumpets would give you the same specs as a Strad with Kanstul quality :wink:

Jim

W Scott · 11-26-2004, 01:04 PM

I tried a Bach Strad 37 at a local music store this last Monday. It played well, slotted well and was built very good.

My main gripe was the resistance. It almost felt like playing my Bundy!
The one thing that shocked me (after being used to my Constellation) was how small the horn was. Short valves, short and compact wrap with a much lighter weight. It felt like I was playing an (expensive) toy!

Anyway, try the new Strads. You might like them.................

Tootsall · 11-26-2004, 02:29 PM

By all means, try the Bach 180 ML37 horns. But make certain you try more than one! There are inconsistencies found in any manufacturer's product but perhaps more inconsistencies are reported in Strads than any other. However... if you find "the right one", you can certainly rest assured that your son won't be "going up the "Down" stairs" when compared with the other students.... the majority of them will be playing Strads also.

If you get the chance though... have him try more than just the one brand; most of the different brands have different playing characteristics and your son might just hit on a "magic" horn for him. Try to have a knowledgeable person along to listen and offer objective comments about the sound, intonation, etc.

Schilke is a fantastic horn with exceptional quality; it compares favorably with the custom horns that sell for prices waaaay above a Schilke's price. They aren't necessarily a "dent magnet" (unless perhaps you have the berylium bell option or the tuning bell model.... and why you'd do that in a school setting I don't know). But if you are at all concerned about his intentions to 'stick with' trumpet then perhaps a good, solid horn for a reasonable price and a ready market for it in "used" condition is a better buy. Yamaha 4XXX or 6XXX series would fit that set of arguments quite well. Also consider the 7XX Kanstul horns.

The more you (he) tests, the more certain you can be that he'll find the right one FOR HIM. (and, since you are probably the one "paying the freight", for YOU).

Heavens2kadonka · 11-26-2004, 07:44 PM

Quote:

I tried a Bach Strad 37 at a local music store this last Monday. It played well, slotted well and was built very good.

My main gripe was the resistance. It almost felt like playing my Bundy!
The one thing that shocked me (after being used to my Constellation) was how small the horn was. Short valves, short and compact wrap with a much lighter weight. It felt like I was playing an (expensive) toy!

The main problem there I can guarantee is the leadpipe. They're horrible. Awful. Try a Strad with a Blackburn leadpipe and rounded tune slide.

I really want to try a Strad 72.

Van

pots13 · 12-05-2004, 04:41 PM

As a high school student I actually like playing my Jupiter XO. Now, most jupiter's have gotten a pretty bad rap, but I really like the trumpet, and it's actually a really good trumpet and the best that I've played on (including some Yamahas, etc). Not sure if you can find one, but if you get the chance you should check one out, they're worth a shot.

Heavens2kadonka · 12-05-2004, 07:20 PM

Just be sure you don't get a lightweight horn. God, those things really damage the ears in concert halls....

Van

tedh1951 · 10-23-2007, 03:23 AM

As a Comeback Trumpeter, and having forgetten everything about instrument selection, I played on my old steam driven student trumpet for a while, manipulated the "petticoat government" and finally purchased a Getzen Eterna 700SP. Features - silver plated - so it's easy to clean - robust, entry level professional instrument - according to my tutor who played one professionally, and economical - "best instrument for the money", tutor again, and fantastic valves for the price, US made. I have since passed this to my neice and stepped up to a Getzen 900 Eterna (but second hand). Opinion - I didn't go wrong - get your son to try as many as he can, use the same piece of music, same mouthpiece, and take a knowledgeable friend or tutor to assess the audience side of the sound. (He'll fall in love with one and it will be, for him, the best trumpet in the world - and none of our opinions will be worth a brass razzoo to him - just give him the opportunity to try 'em all if you can).

11-26-2004, 01:15 AM	#23 (permalink)
cornetmike New Friend Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Hemet, California Posts: 14	I know I'm waaaay late posting on this topic, but I've heard on other forums about quality control problems with Bach Strads. And I've heard about this too often without letting it pass without asking about it. "Only one in five is truly great," "There was a big drop of solder in one of the valve slides," "I played four of the same model and they were all somehow different," "I had to try four or five before I found one I liked," etc. And nearly everyone agrees that pre-Selmer Strads are superior. Any comments??? warm regards, cornetmike __________________ Waitress: What are you rebelling against? Brando: Whaddya got?

11-26-2004, 01:04 PM	#25 (permalink)
W Scott Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Carson City, NV. Posts: 490	I tried a Bach Strad 37 at a local music store this last Monday. It played well, slotted well and was built very good. My main gripe was the resistance. It almost felt like playing my Bundy! The one thing that shocked me (after being used to my Constellation) was how small the horn was. Short valves, short and compact wrap with a much lighter weight. It felt like I was playing an (expensive) toy! Anyway, try the new Strads. You might like them................. __________________ Gabriel is NOT a woodwind player!

12-05-2004, 04:41 PM	#28 (permalink)
pots13 New Friend Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 29	As a high school student I actually like playing my Jupiter XO. Now, most jupiter's have gotten a pretty bad rap, but I really like the trumpet, and it's actually a really good trumpet and the best that I've played on (including some Yamahas, etc). Not sure if you can find one, but if you get the chance you should check one out, they're worth a shot. __________________ If you're going to make a mistake, go big.

12-05-2004, 07:20 PM	#29 (permalink)
Heavens2kadonka Forte User Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Carthage, TN Posts: 1,311	Just be sure you don't get a lightweight horn. God, those things really damage the ears in concert halls.... Van __________________ Stage 1 California Light '94 Bach Strad 37 1900 Eb Cornet B&S 7C LOUD Steve Patrick 10 1/2 C LOUD LM93

10-23-2007, 03:23 AM	#30 (permalink)
tedh1951 Forte User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Sydney, Australia Posts: 1,176	Re: A parent looking to buy HS student new trumpet As a Comeback Trumpeter, and having forgetten everything about instrument selection, I played on my old steam driven student trumpet for a while, manipulated the "petticoat government" and finally purchased a Getzen Eterna 700SP. Features - silver plated - so it's easy to clean - robust, entry level professional instrument - according to my tutor who played one professionally, and economical - "best instrument for the money", tutor again, and fantastic valves for the price, US made. I have since passed this to my neice and stepped up to a Getzen 900 Eterna (but second hand). Opinion - I didn't go wrong - get your son to try as many as he can, use the same piece of music, same mouthpiece, and take a knowledgeable friend or tutor to assess the audience side of the sound. (He'll fall in love with one and it will be, for him, the best trumpet in the world - and none of our opinions will be worth a brass razzoo to him - just give him the opportunity to try 'em all if you can). __________________ Ted

10-26-2004, 06:35 PM	#21 (permalink)
slimshady Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 94	Just buy a Bach Strad. After owning quite a few different horns I am now back on a Bach. We all get excited about finding a magic horn but the a Bach can always get the job done. Every Kanstul I owned had an amazingly rich sound and I adjusted to the different slotting. But every time I'd blow thru a students bach I would remember that bach feel and I'd want it back. Guess what when I found the Bach I know play and thought it sounded even better than my Kanstul.....no one....could tell a lick a difference. Therefore I say go for the one that feels the best and gets the job done. Don't worry about the sound because it is extremely difficult for anyone to tell a difference unless you play two horns back to back and the differences will still be subtle. Buy a Bach! It will work! And if your son becomes a pro and becomes obsessed with equipment then let him spend the extra cash on the fancy horn. One exception. If you are filthy rich......go ahead and buy him an eclipse.

11-26-2004, 02:29 PM	#26 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	By all means, try the Bach 180 ML37 horns. But make certain you try more than one! There are inconsistencies found in any manufacturer's product but perhaps more inconsistencies are reported in Strads than any other. However... if you find "the right one", you can certainly rest assured that your son won't be "going up the "Down" stairs" when compared with the other students.... the majority of them will be playing Strads also. If you get the chance though... have him try more than just the one brand; most of the different brands have different playing characteristics and your son might just hit on a "magic" horn for him. Try to have a knowledgeable person along to listen and offer objective comments about the sound, intonation, etc. Schilke is a fantastic horn with exceptional quality; it compares favorably with the custom horns that sell for prices waaaay above a Schilke's price. They aren't necessarily a "dent magnet" (unless perhaps you have the berylium bell option or the tuning bell model.... and why you'd do that in a school setting I don't know). But if you are at all concerned about his intentions to 'stick with' trumpet then perhaps a good, solid horn for a reasonable price and a ready market for it in "used" condition is a better buy. Yamaha 4XXX or 6XXX series would fit that set of arguments quite well. Also consider the 7XX Kanstul horns. The more you (he) tests, the more certain you can be that he'll find the right one FOR HIM. (and, since you are probably the one "paying the freight", for YOU).

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