Range - Page 5

Solar Bell · 02-09-2007, 05:14 PM

We fired our jazz book player a couple years ago because he insisted on "capping" the lead player.

We warned him and then found another 2nd player.

Play it the way it's written.

-cw-

Shermock · 02-09-2007, 10:45 PM

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Play it the way it's written.

Amen!

Shermock

DubbaCTrumpetMSU · 02-09-2007, 11:22 PM

Chuck, what do you mean by 'capping' him? like..having to play a 3rd or 5th higher for some obscene cocky reason?

Solar Bell · 02-10-2007, 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DubbaCTrumpetMSU

Chuck, what do you mean by 'capping' him? like..having to play a 3rd or 5th higher for some obscene cocky reason?

Capping means the 2nd or 3rd player playing above the lead guy on the last chord of the tune.

Just showing off your high note skills.

As if guys like Sy Oliver didn't know what sounded the best on their tunes.

Play what is written.

-cw-

Nordic Trumpet · 02-10-2007, 08:00 AM

Why is it such a taboo to talk about range??

Let's forget what's written or not. This wasn't my point at all in my previous post. I think most of us see that point (allthough not always living by it) and I'm sorry if that was all you got from my post. I wanted to point a finger at the attitude some are met with (often new users) when they unwittingly start a range thread of some sort.

"Son, concentrate on your Arban", "Do a search and don't bother us", "Range will come if you ignore it" are some types of cliché answers.

This is just condescending and really not helpful at all. Answers like "The best way is to get an instructor" or "It takes time" I'm more of a fan of. Use those instead if you don't have any concrete advice to offer.

I normally keep away from these range threads. You know, putting my fingers in my ears and run the other way. Allthough this particular thread wasn't created for educational purposes, I just wanted to say what was on my mind.

Now I'll run away again with my fingers in my ears.

Geir

Solar Bell · 02-10-2007, 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by wiseone2

When I was a young, a very young trumpet player, I played in bands with some heavy lead players. Guys who had played with Basie, Ellington and some other great bands. When I would try my best high notes, they would double up with laughter. They gently explained that unasked for high notes weren't cool. They explained that the arranger knew what he was doing. "Stick to the charts" was Lammar Wright's advice to me. I don't EVER add notes that aren't asked for. That's advice that gets you called by arrangers in the pro world. Bold added by me...-cw-
Wilmer

This is the definitive reply on this subject.

A player who is above reproach, who has done with his trumpet more than most of us dare to dream about, telling us what advice the world's best players gave him while he was honing his craft.

In the words of Calvin Coolidge; "No one ever listened himself out of a job."
-cw-

Nordic Trumpet · 02-10-2007, 08:29 AM

Chuck, was your last post a response to my post?

If so, then you failed to see my point.

daveythewavey19 · 02-10-2007, 09:13 AM

i had braces for a while, it was a pain. The damn things cut into the inside of your lips when you play trumpet. I wouldn't worry about range with braces, its basically impossible to get very high cause you always have a bad seal between the mouth peice and your mouth. Work on sight reading and don't worry as much about range.

rowuk · 02-10-2007, 09:25 AM

Geir,
I see your point, but do not think we are treating range as taboo. If we define range as the lowest to highest note that we can each squeeze out of our instrument, we have one discussion. If we define it as the lowest to highest notes that we can reliably and musically create, the discussion takes another turn. The practice room and convention monsters may have impressive frequencies coming out of the bell, but this is not "useful" rather annoying. If I take that same note and place it in a good musical context, it becomes interesting.
Any discussion of extremes should be balanced with the intelligent usage. That is why I am interested in what our TMers can offer - other than a headache.

Nordic Trumpet · 02-10-2007, 09:50 AM

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Originally Posted by rowuk

Any discussion of extremes should be balanced with the intelligent usage.

This I do agree with.

02-09-2007, 05:14 PM	#41 (permalink)
Solar Bell Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 4,398	Re: Range We fired our jazz book player a couple years ago because he insisted on "capping" the lead player. We warned him and then found another 2nd player. Play it the way it's written. -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan

02-09-2007, 11:22 PM	#43 (permalink)
DubbaCTrumpetMSU Piano User Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Soon to be Ft. Worth, TX Posts: 367	Re: Range Chuck, what do you mean by 'capping' him? like..having to play a 3rd or 5th higher for some obscene cocky reason? __________________ You don't use people to make music--you use music to make people. Bb-Eclipse MR-Scratch Gold, polished accents D/Eb-Blessing... GR 66C*, Wedge 3E...still searching for a different legit piece... Recordings of my Senior recital-Comments greatly appreciated!! www.myspace.com/russrobinson021906

02-10-2007, 08:00 AM	#45 (permalink)
Nordic Trumpet Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 162	Re: Range Why is it such a taboo to talk about range?? Let's forget what's written or not. This wasn't my point at all in my previous post. I think most of us see that point (allthough not always living by it) and I'm sorry if that was all you got from my post. I wanted to point a finger at the attitude some are met with (often new users) when they unwittingly start a range thread of some sort. "Son, concentrate on your Arban", "Do a search and don't bother us", "Range will come if you ignore it" are some types of cliché answers. This is just condescending and really not helpful at all. Answers like "The best way is to get an instructor" or "It takes time" I'm more of a fan of. Use those instead if you don't have any concrete advice to offer. I normally keep away from these range threads. You know, putting my fingers in my ears and run the other way. Allthough this particular thread wasn't created for educational purposes, I just wanted to say what was on my mind. Now I'll run away again with my fingers in my ears. Geir __________________ Stage 1 New York Bb trumpet Stage 1 Classic flugelhorn GR mouthpieces http://www.zyndicatepartners.com

02-10-2007, 08:29 AM	#47 (permalink)
Nordic Trumpet Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Norway Posts: 162	Re: Range Chuck, was your last post a response to my post? If so, then you failed to see my point. __________________ Stage 1 New York Bb trumpet Stage 1 Classic flugelhorn GR mouthpieces http://www.zyndicatepartners.com

02-10-2007, 09:13 AM	#48 (permalink)
daveythewavey19 New Friend Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 31	Re: Range i had braces for a while, it was a pain. The damn things cut into the inside of your lips when you play trumpet. I wouldn't worry about range with braces, its basically impossible to get very high cause you always have a bad seal between the mouth peice and your mouth. Work on sight reading and don't worry as much about range.

02-10-2007, 09:25 AM	#49 (permalink)
rowuk Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Germany Posts: 4,872	Re: Range Geir, I see your point, but do not think we are treating range as taboo. If we define range as the lowest to highest note that we can each squeeze out of our instrument, we have one discussion. If we define it as the lowest to highest notes that we can reliably and musically create, the discussion takes another turn. The practice room and convention monsters may have impressive frequencies coming out of the bell, but this is not "useful" rather annoying. If I take that same note and place it in a good musical context, it becomes interesting. Any discussion of extremes should be balanced with the intelligent usage. That is why I am interested in what our TMers can offer - other than a headache. __________________ Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again.

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