Rowuk you want Teflon.... - Page 2

GordonH · 02-02-2008, 04:30 AM

I notice that Denis WIck is now selling a valve oil that contains PTFE particles which are supposed to stay on the valves even once the oil has mainly evaporated. I have bought a bottle of it but not tried it yet, its cloudy and you have to shake it before use, I was thinking of using it on the rotary trumpet. Like all Wick products its not expensive.

B15M · 02-02-2008, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by misty.sj

I asked my husband (an engineer) about this because he uses teflon spray all the time. He said the two problems he could see are:

1. Teflon actually bonds with the metal, which could thicken the valve over time"

I think this is a plus because the valves wear as we use them. If we an add metal back they will stay tight.

My Bach is old and never had valve work. Maby this would help?

misty.sj · 02-02-2008, 10:01 AM

But you're not adding metal back. You're adding Teflon back. Teflon is soft and prone to scratching. I'd think that if you get a scratch, this is a place for uneven wear and icky things to build up.

rowuk · 02-02-2008, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by misty.sj

But you're not adding metal back. You're adding Teflon back. Teflon is soft and prone to scratching. I'd think that if you get a scratch, this is a place for uneven wear and icky things to build up.

There are some reasonably scratch free frying pans.......... I guess we have to get an engineer from some company using this stuff to figure this out. Ceramics would also be a possibility.

B15M · 02-02-2008, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by misty.sj

But you're not adding metal back. You're adding Teflon back. Teflon is soft and prone to scratching. I'd think that if you get a scratch, this is a place for uneven wear and icky things to build up.

Maybe it would act like a compression ring on a car engine, or constantly resealing itself, refilling any scratch or void.

Eeviac · 02-02-2008, 02:04 PM

Teflon coating has been tried on guns, I'm not sure if that fad's still in effect or it's passed. I know Break-Free works great on guns that are worth more than most of the trumpets owned around here

That being said, it's a personal choice. I like my old pan-am, it's cool. It's silvery and usually I get the right notes on it. It's probably just about right for a learner like me. The Cadillac or trumpets, it's not. When I get really good I'm sure I'll know tons more, and it will be proper for me to have a high-end horn.

Jude · 02-02-2008, 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Eeviac

That being said, it's a personal choice. I like my old pan-am, it's cool. It's silvery and usually I get the right notes on it. It's probably just about right for a learner like me. The Cadillac or trumpets, it's not. When I get really good I'm sure I'll know tons more, and it will be proper for me to have a high-end horn.

What about that cornet? How do you like it, compared to the trumpet?

Eeviac · 02-02-2008, 02:28 PM

Jude I have not messed with this cornet really, I got the thing but the MP is different and I've just been messing with trumpet. Since the cornet is a pawn shop special, while it smells clean and looks awfully clean inside, I should probably give it a good washing out, and lubing. Yeah, I'll probably just use some chap-stick on the slides and break-free on the valves.

Cornet is supposed to be more "agile" than the trumpet? I'm intrigued with those old guys, early Louis Armstrong and all that, and they played cornets. A street musician I was very impressed by was playing a cornet too.

This cornet has an Old MP on it, a 3C.

I guess it's just sort of on the back burner right now.

02-02-2008, 04:30 AM	#11 (permalink)
GordonH Mezzo Piano User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 610	Re: Rowuk you want Teflon.... I notice that Denis WIck is now selling a valve oil that contains PTFE particles which are supposed to stay on the valves even once the oil has mainly evaporated. I have bought a bottle of it but not tried it yet, its cloudy and you have to shake it before use, I was thinking of using it on the rotary trumpet. Like all Wick products its not expensive. __________________ "O trumpeter, methinks I am myself the instrument thou playest, Thou melt'st my heart, my brain--thou movest, drawest, changest them at will;" (Walt Whitman)

02-02-2008, 10:01 AM	#13 (permalink)
misty.sj Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Indiana Posts: 709	Re: Rowuk you want Teflon.... But you're not adding metal back. You're adding Teflon back. Teflon is soft and prone to scratching. I'd think that if you get a scratch, this is a place for uneven wear and icky things to build up. __________________ --Misty Hit it hard, and wish it well. -- Claude Gordon 1925(?) Conn Cavalier Bb (s/n 14142) 2007 Barrington Bb student trumpet

02-02-2008, 02:04 PM	#16 (permalink)
Eeviac Piano User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: chino valley arizona usa Posts: 477	Re: Rowuk you want Teflon.... Teflon coating has been tried on guns, I'm not sure if that fad's still in effect or it's passed. I know Break-Free works great on guns that are worth more than most of the trumpets owned around here That being said, it's a personal choice. I like my old pan-am, it's cool. It's silvery and usually I get the right notes on it. It's probably just about right for a learner like me. The Cadillac or trumpets, it's not. When I get really good I'm sure I'll know tons more, and it will be proper for me to have a high-end horn. __________________ Conn Pan Am made in 1950 silver + Bach 7C King American Standard cornet made in 1940 + Olds 3C Striving for a Touchy Tone, rather than obnoquious

02-02-2008, 02:28 PM	#18 (permalink)
Eeviac Piano User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: chino valley arizona usa Posts: 477	Re: Rowuk you want Teflon.... Jude I have not messed with this cornet really, I got the thing but the MP is different and I've just been messing with trumpet. Since the cornet is a pawn shop special, while it smells clean and looks awfully clean inside, I should probably give it a good washing out, and lubing. Yeah, I'll probably just use some chap-stick on the slides and break-free on the valves. Cornet is supposed to be more "agile" than the trumpet? I'm intrigued with those old guys, early Louis Armstrong and all that, and they played cornets. A street musician I was very impressed by was playing a cornet too. This cornet has an Old MP on it, a 3C. I guess it's just sort of on the back burner right now. __________________ Conn Pan Am made in 1950 silver + Bach 7C King American Standard cornet made in 1940 + Olds 3C Striving for a Touchy Tone, rather than obnoquious

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