Tongue Controled Embouchure - Page 2

_TrumpeT_ · 06-21-2006, 06:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gtromble

Suffice to say - the embouchure demonstrated in the video is NOT the Callet TCE.

GT

Yes, I forgot to point that out as well. I'm sure you don't stick out your tongue like that, so IMHO the topic name "Tongue Contro[l]led Embouchure" is a misnomer.

dbacon, have you heard him play live? Do you know where I can some clips of his playing?

trumpetmike · 06-21-2006, 06:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny Laureano

My section teases me all the time about this silly, subconcious thing I do with my hands when I release notes in certain contexts.

Manny - dare we ask???

Whilst at university I had something pointed out by a violinist that I never knew I was doing - she helped my playing (and my concentration) more with one comment than some of the lecturers did in three years.

Manny Laureano · 06-21-2006, 09:23 AM

You'll have to wait 'til August!

ML

NickD · 06-21-2006, 12:26 PM

Ok, that ws a funny video!

This is still my favorite.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5353&q=trumpet

After seeing this "TCE" thing, I going to have to some google research on yet antoher way to play trumpet, but I'll have to turn off the Norton filter for adult sites first!

Just kidding!

Nick

Bruce Lee · 06-26-2006, 11:44 AM

HA!

No CONTROL there! That "cat" might have been licking a little Vaseline off his mouthpiece. Thankfully, the video stopped before the hairball appeared.

_TrumpeT_,

On the serious side... Herb Smith, an Eastman graduate, and member of the Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra, as with as Mac Gollehon, a well-respect NY trumpet professional, both performed at the recent ITG Conference, during Jerome Callet's ITG Clinic. Both players demonstrated a "before and after" of their playing styles, and explained... in their own words... how they had been helped by Jerry. It's tough to argue with a paid professional.

Jerry Callet is, and has been, a pioneer in the study of the trumpet embouchure. The whole reasoning behind his approach has to do with the fact that not every trumpet player will benefit from the "traditional" trumpet embouchure approach. As he states in every clinic that he presents, "More students fail at becoming trumpet players because of poor embouchures, than for any other reasons."

Personally, whether anyone agrees or disagrees with Jerome Callet's work shouldn't be the issue. Having the knowledge of different approaches to the embouchure is something that every good teacher should possess, so that the student can always benefit from good instruction. Whether or not the teacher uses that embouchure is totally immaterial.

In the end, the more efficient the embouchure... regardless of the embouchure "school" or "system"... the more similarities there will be. We are all perpetual students of the trumpet. Keep an open mind, and feed it!

Best always,
Bruce

dcstep · 06-28-2006, 12:46 PM

Lest we forget, here's how good real TCE can sound:

Bahb Civiletti

dbacon · 06-28-2006, 02:41 PM

The artist formerly known as "Bobby."

http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/intervie...r_student.html

talcito · 06-28-2006, 05:30 PM

Bob Civiletti was the first person I ever had paid lessons with when I was in high school. The school had given me a scholarship and the high school band instructer wanted me to study with his buddy, Mel Broiles. They could not believe I would rather study with Civiletti instead. I was doing my first professional gigs with Bob and could not believe this mans abilities.

The system Bob taught back then was the Callet system. It involved alot of double pedals with the bottom lip completely out of the mouthpiece. There was never any talk back then about the use of the tongue. When did the system change?

He was also very much into practising the Clark book at FFFF.

The other kids in the school were practising the Charlier, after their lessons at the Opera house. I was doing those funny pedals and practicing Clarke at FFFF.......You should have seen the band teachers face when he saw the direction his teaching was taking me in!

Hey Bruce, could you tell us a bit about what Mac had to say. He is an incredible player.....amazing. What kind of problems was he having with his chops that caused him to look at this system?

06-21-2006, 12:26 PM	#14 (permalink)
NickD Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago northern suburbs Posts: 826	Heh! Ok, that ws a funny video! This is still my favorite. http://video.google.com/videoplay?do...5353&q=trumpet After seeing this "TCE" thing, I going to have to some google research on yet antoher way to play trumpet, but I'll have to turn off the Norton filter for adult sites first! Just kidding! Nick __________________ NickD "Free Online Lessons in Extreme Trumpet Playing" http://www.nickdrozdoff.com http://www.newyorktrumpetcompany.com/ http://www.myspace.com/nickdrozdoff

06-26-2006, 11:44 AM	#15 (permalink)
Bruce Lee Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: HOUSTON, TEXAS Posts: 463	HA! No CONTROL there! That "cat" might have been licking a little Vaseline off his mouthpiece. Thankfully, the video stopped before the hairball appeared. _TrumpeT_, On the serious side... Herb Smith, an Eastman graduate, and member of the Rochester Philharmonic Orchestra, as with as Mac Gollehon, a well-respect NY trumpet professional, both performed at the recent ITG Conference, during Jerome Callet's ITG Clinic. Both players demonstrated a "before and after" of their playing styles, and explained... in their own words... how they had been helped by Jerry. It's tough to argue with a paid professional. Jerry Callet is, and has been, a pioneer in the study of the trumpet embouchure. The whole reasoning behind his approach has to do with the fact that not every trumpet player will benefit from the "traditional" trumpet embouchure approach. As he states in every clinic that he presents, "More students fail at becoming trumpet players because of poor embouchures, than for any other reasons." Personally, whether anyone agrees or disagrees with Jerome Callet's work shouldn't be the issue. Having the knowledge of different approaches to the embouchure is something that every good teacher should possess, so that the student can always benefit from good instruction. Whether or not the teacher uses that embouchure is totally immaterial. In the end, the more efficient the embouchure... regardless of the embouchure "school" or "system"... the more similarities there will be. We are all *perpetual students* of the trumpet. Keep an open mind, and feed it! Best always, Bruce __________________ brucelee@northernbrass.com ECLIPSE TRUMPETS - AUTHORIZED DEALER The "TEATRO", by Lee/McKinney GR Technologies/Northern Brass Mpc's - Dealer http://www.northernbrass.com (281) 485-1919

06-28-2006, 12:46 PM	#16 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	Lest we forget, here's how good real TCE can sound: Bahb Civiletti __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

06-28-2006, 02:41 PM	#17 (permalink)
dbacon Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottsdale, AZ. Posts: 579	The artist formerly known as "Bobby." http://abel.hive.no/trumpet/intervie...r_student.html __________________ Dave Bacon

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talcito Piano User Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 300	Bob Civiletti was the first person I ever had paid lessons with when I was in high school. The school had given me a scholarship and the high school band instructer wanted me to study with his buddy, Mel Broiles. They could not believe I would rather study with Civiletti instead. I was doing my first professional gigs with Bob and could not believe this mans abilities. The system Bob taught back then was the Callet system. It involved alot of double pedals with the bottom lip completely out of the mouthpiece. There was never any talk back then about the use of the tongue. When did the system change? He was also very much into practising the Clark book at FFFF. The other kids in the school were practising the Charlier, after their lessons at the Opera house. I was doing those funny pedals and practicing Clarke at FFFF.......You should have seen the band teachers face when he saw the direction his teaching was taking me in! Hey Bruce, could you tell us a bit about what Mac had to say. He is an incredible player.....amazing. What kind of problems was he having with his chops that caused him to look at this system?

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