VALVES!!! - Page 2

BigBadWolf · 07-24-2005, 06:51 PM

I use Hetman valve oil. I have found that Al Cass doesn't really do a good job on my valves. For me, it tends to dry up quickly and cakes a little bit.

Bourbon City · 07-25-2005, 12:56 AM

Zaja Blue. If you have to ask why, you won't understand.

brian moon · 07-25-2005, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wynton

I bought my horn used two years ago and have always had problems with the valves. Recently, the 1st and 2nd valves stuck on the way up almost constantly. I got the pistons polished, the entire horn chemically cleaned, and the valves alined a week ago - and they're still sticking. There's also a black substance in the horn that turned up after the cleaning.

I use Al Cass valve oil and do not apply pressure on the 2nd valve elbow.

I just bought a Xeno C horn and cannot afford a new Bb.

Thanks!

It isn't an old Yamaha is it?

rjzeller · 07-25-2005, 03:49 AM

Okay, You all are really starting to sway me.

I've used Al Cass religiously for years and refused anything else. My getzen very rarely requires oiling but on very hot/humid summer days they can tend to stick up a lot...so after reading this thread maybe, just maybe...

er....blue juice? Does the stuff really make that big a difference?

VINTAGEBRASS · 07-25-2005, 09:28 AM

I had used Roche Thomas for years in my Strad. Then, for what reason I do not know, I switched brands. I don't recall the brand and did not use it long, but from then on the valves were constantly sticking. I tried having it cleaned, but nothing seemed to work. I ended up, giving up on the Strad and bought a Vintage One. Then someone told me about Blue Juice. I tried it in the V1 and it worked great. I then tried it in the Strad and it seemed to work on that as well. However, the first time I took it to a gig a little into the second hour the valves started sticking again. So again I gave up on the Strad. Then about two months ago I was introduced to Ultra Pure. I cleaned up the Strad, used the Ultra Pure and it plays like a brand new horn. It will even make it through 3 and 4 hour gigs with no problems. I have friends who have had great luck with all the above oils, but for me the Ultra Pure is what works. I guess I used a long story to say that you might want to try a variety of oils until you find the one that works for you.

brian moon · 07-25-2005, 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rjzeller

Okay, You all are really starting to sway me.

I've used Al Cass religiously for years and refused anything else. My getzen very rarely requires oiling but on very hot/humid summer days they can tend to stick up a lot...so after reading this thread maybe, just maybe...

er....blue juice? Does the stuff really make that big a difference?

Blue Juice is for the olfactorially challenged.

trickg · 07-25-2005, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by music matters

Try Zaja Blue. Graham

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bourbon City

Zaja Blue. If you have to ask why, you won't understand.

Ditto. I stopped using Al Cass when I got my first bottle of Zaja Blue.

Ralph · 07-25-2005, 01:08 PM

I found this interesting and it may help.

http://www.musichem.com/articles/p_oil_e.htm

Solar Bell · 07-25-2005, 01:15 PM

I have found that Zaja scented oils best for my older horns. (I like the vanilla)
And Zaja blue for my new horn.
I never like Cass oil; or the way it smelled or felt on my hands.

-cw-

murph66 · 07-25-2005, 01:37 PM

Put in another vote for Zaja Blue. I use it on both my Severinsen and Lawler and it works great. Just need to oil about once a week and I play almost daily, usually on the Lawler.
George Murphy

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rjzeller Forte User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 1,212	Okay, You all are really starting to sway me. I've used Al Cass religiously for years and refused anything else. My getzen very rarely requires oiling but on very hot/humid summer days they can tend to stick up a lot...so after reading this thread maybe, just maybe... er....blue juice? Does the stuff really make that big a difference? __________________ There are 10 kinds of people in the world: Those who understand binary and those who do not.

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Solar Bell Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 4,405	I have found that Zaja scented oils best for my older horns. (I like the vanilla) And Zaja blue for my new horn. I never like Cass oil; or the way it smelled or felt on my hands. -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan

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07-24-2005, 06:51 PM	#11 (permalink)
BigBadWolf Piano User Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Posts: 312	I use Hetman valve oil. I have found that Al Cass doesn't really do a good job on my valves. For me, it tends to dry up quickly and cakes a little bit.

07-25-2005, 09:28 AM	#15 (permalink)
VINTAGEBRASS Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Branson Posts: 106	I had used Roche Thomas for years in my Strad. Then, for what reason I do not know, I switched brands. I don't recall the brand and did not use it long, but from then on the valves were constantly sticking. I tried having it cleaned, but nothing seemed to work. I ended up, giving up on the Strad and bought a Vintage One. Then someone told me about Blue Juice. I tried it in the V1 and it worked great. I then tried it in the Strad and it seemed to work on that as well. However, the first time I took it to a gig a little into the second hour the valves started sticking again. So again I gave up on the Strad. Then about two months ago I was introduced to Ultra Pure. I cleaned up the Strad, used the Ultra Pure and it plays like a brand new horn. It will even make it through 3 and 4 hour gigs with no problems. I have friends who have had great luck with all the above oils, but for me the Ultra Pure is what works. I guess I used a long story to say that you might want to try a variety of oils until you find the one that works for you.

07-25-2005, 01:08 PM	#18 (permalink)
Ralph New Friend Join Date: Jan 2005 Posts: 41	I found this interesting and it may help. http://www.musichem.com/articles/p_oil_e.htm

07-25-2005, 01:37 PM	#20 (permalink)
murph66 New Friend Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 37	Put in another vote for Zaja Blue. I use it on both my Severinsen and Lawler and it works great. Just need to oil about once a week and I play almost daily, usually on the Lawler. George Murphy

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