The warm down - Page 2

samdaman · 07-01-2006, 09:52 AM

Warming down is different from person to person. It's kinnda like exercising or weightlifting. Runners go out and run a marathon. Some probably cross the finish line, get a drink of water, walk around for a little, and then drive home. Others have to drink a gallon of water (I wouldn't suggest it

), walk another mile as a warm down, and then do some stretches before they go home.

Personally I do the long tones bit, the low slurs, and pedals. I also add in at the end a little bit of some 'higher stuff'. I do a few 2 ocatave G scales just to run the range of the horn before I put it away. I find it helps keep the flexibility. But mostly, its a personal preference.

Take it as you will people.

oldlou · 07-01-2006, 12:04 PM

From the tone of this thread, am I to take it that my performance the day following a performance will either be enhanced or damaged by a "warm down", or lack thereof? I can think of no logical reason for a warm down, from a musculature standpoint. I guess that I have to vote with those who pull the mouthpiece, put the horn in the case, and go drink whatever favorite beverage is available.

OLDLOU>>

samdaman · 07-01-2006, 01:19 PM

Here's something from ITG that also supports the warm down theory too:

http://www.trumpetguild.org/pdf/2001...0110Clinic.pdf

Just thought I would throw that one out there. I agree with what this article says. After playing a long jazz band practice where I'm up on High Cs,Ds, and Es, I need to warm down or else the next day my chops are crap. One of the things that warming down does for the chops is that it restores blood flow to them. This helps with muscle and tissue repair.

Just thought I would throw that out there.

NickD · 07-01-2006, 06:09 PM

I with Dylan, except after simply putting my horn away I grab a cup-o-joe. I don't drink!

If I were to do anything, I'd just flutter my chops as I'm packing up the horn.

Peace!

Nick

robertwhite · 07-01-2006, 06:31 PM

Oldlou, I think the idea behind warming down is to reconnect with easy production and centered tone quality if you are feeling "beat up".

I've not ever used a warm down with any consistency, but if I'm unhappy with what I sound like, I'll try not to put the horn away until I manage to play something that sounds good. For me, this has a lot more to do with my mind than with my chops.

oldlou · 07-01-2006, 06:55 PM

Are you inferring that your playing condition is psychosematic (sp)?

OLDLOU>>

robertwhite · 07-02-2006, 12:06 AM

I dunno about that, but my head is what makes my chops work right!

dbacon · 07-02-2006, 01:10 AM

I'll put a brick on my upper lip, hit it with a hammer a few times.

Get coat hangers for both corners, insert and have two guys pull as hard as possible.

Play G as loud as possible and run full speed into the wall.

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All seriousness aside, you find your chops where you left them the night before. I've come home after a hard gig and practiced Schlossberg for 20 mins. Next day is very nice. Uan Rasey (who played lead on over 5,000 movies!) told me he'd do a morning studio date, drive to the next studio and stop along the way for some Schlossberg. 10-12 plus hours a day, everyday, but things like that kept him playing at the highest level for all those years!

MPM · 07-03-2006, 02:33 PM

There are probably as many opinions on this as there are trumpet players. Here's mine, where my playing is concerned, for what it's worth.

Accually this can get a little involved but I'll try to post the "in a nut-shell"version.

(1) If it's been a particuarly brutal day / night / gig, I like to warm down with some very easy, slow, soft, Schlossberg-ish lips slurs until get a nice 'focus' back. Then I do Carmine Caruso type chromatic pedals, softly, as low as I can go, then play a chromatic scale from low f# to a high 'E' or 'G' at a mf volume. An analogy would be a serious runner ... he probably wouldn't do a hard 10-15 mile run and then just sit down and call it quits. He'll 'walk it off' get the heart rate back to normal, keep the blood flowing, allowing the lactic acid build up deplete.

(2) On a day off, where I'm practicing all day, a nice liesurely, warm up / practice session(s) / warm down all sort of meld into one another so it's not really a "Warm Up"-"Practice"-"Warm Down" regimen.

(3) On the Maynard band ... a whole new different ball of wax for me. As trumpet player and valet, as soon as the show is over I'm busy with Maynard so I don't get to warm down. So ... most of the time a very careful warm up the next day is important for me.
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The "Warm Up" is a whole nother thing, and another thread, and different for everyone.
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Hope this helped.

Michael Manthey

loudog · 07-03-2006, 03:52 PM

I like playing lip bends...starting on a G, bending to an F#, then back up, then down to an F, then back up, then down to an E, and so on...I go down a perfect fourth, then I do it all on F#, then i do it all on F, and so on until I get to low C.

My lips feel GREAT after that! My goal is to bend slowly, evenly, and hold on the lower pitch for a while. I try to make the timbre of the all the pitches the same, while I'm bending. It's magic for the chops!

Louie

07-01-2006, 09:52 AM	#11 (permalink)
samdaman Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Reading PA Posts: 63	Warming down is different from person to person. It's kinnda like exercising or weightlifting. Runners go out and run a marathon. Some probably cross the finish line, get a drink of water, walk around for a little, and then drive home. Others have to drink a gallon of water (I wouldn't suggest it ), walk another mile as a warm down, and then do some stretches before they go home. Personally I do the long tones bit, the low slurs, and pedals. I also add in at the end a little bit of some 'higher stuff'. I do a few 2 ocatave G scales just to run the range of the horn before I put it away. I find it helps keep the flexibility. But mostly, its a personal preference. Take it as you will people. __________________ -Sam Tate -Bach 43LR Reverse Lead -Benge 90C Trumpet -Gold Schilke E3L Eb/D -Yahmaha 6310Z Bobby Shew Flugel -Warburton 3 series and a GR67FL When in doubt, go with the FLOW... it's all about the flow... musical line and tone production :) www.music.psu.edu

07-01-2006, 12:04 PM	#12 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 683	Warm down? From the tone of this thread, am I to take it that my performance the day following a performance will either be enhanced or damaged by a "warm down", or lack thereof? I can think of no logical reason for a warm down, from a musculature standpoint. I guess that I have to vote with those who pull the mouthpiece, put the horn in the case, and go drink whatever favorite beverage is available. OLDLOU>> __________________ Couturier trumpet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet King super 20 Master Model cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Besson 10-10 trumpet with Holton M.F. bell Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list

07-01-2006, 01:19 PM	#13 (permalink)
samdaman Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Reading PA Posts: 63	Here's something from ITG that also supports the warm down theory too: http://www.trumpetguild.org/pdf/2001...0110Clinic.pdf Just thought I would throw that one out there. I agree with what this article says. After playing a long jazz band practice where I'm up on High Cs,Ds, and Es, I need to warm down or else the next day my chops are crap. One of the things that warming down does for the chops is that it restores blood flow to them. This helps with muscle and tissue repair. Just thought I would throw that out there. __________________ -Sam Tate -Bach 43LR Reverse Lead -Benge 90C Trumpet -Gold Schilke E3L Eb/D -Yahmaha 6310Z Bobby Shew Flugel -Warburton 3 series and a GR67FL When in doubt, go with the FLOW... it's all about the flow... musical line and tone production :) www.music.psu.edu

07-01-2006, 06:09 PM	#14 (permalink)
NickD Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago northern suburbs Posts: 826	I with Dylan I with Dylan, except after simply putting my horn away I grab a cup-o-joe. I don't drink! If I were to do anything, I'd just flutter my chops as I'm packing up the horn. Peace! Nick __________________ NickD "Free Online Lessons in Extreme Trumpet Playing" http://www.nickdrozdoff.com http://www.newyorktrumpetcompany.com/ http://www.myspace.com/nickdrozdoff

07-01-2006, 06:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
oldlou Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Grand Rapids, Mi. Posts: 683	Robt. White Are you inferring that your playing condition is psychosematic (sp)? OLDLOU>> __________________ Couturier trumpet York Master Model trumpet York Elite trumpet York Airflow cornet King super 20 Master Model cornet King Liberty trumpet Reynolds Professional cornet Bohm & Meinl professional trumpet Besson 10-10 trumpet with Holton M.F. bell Olds Special cornet Los Angeles B&H Sovereign cornet G.R.Band Instr. cornet Getzen Super Deluxe trumpet and cornet Getzen Deluxe trumpet and cornet Many others no room to list

07-01-2006, 06:31 PM	#15 (permalink)
robertwhite Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 481	Oldlou, I think the idea behind warming down is to reconnect with easy production and centered tone quality if you are feeling "beat up". I've not ever used a warm down with any consistency, but if I'm unhappy with what I sound like, I'll try not to put the horn away until I manage to play something that sounds good. For me, this has a lot more to do with my mind than with my chops.

07-02-2006, 12:06 AM	#17 (permalink)
robertwhite Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 481	I dunno about that, but my head is what makes my chops work right!

07-02-2006, 01:10 AM	#18 (permalink)
dbacon Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Scottsdale, AZ. Posts: 579	I'll put a brick on my upper lip, hit it with a hammer a few times. Get coat hangers for both corners, insert and have two guys pull as hard as possible. Play G as loud as possible and run full speed into the wall. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- All seriousness aside, you find your chops where you left them the night before. I've come home after a hard gig and practiced Schlossberg for 20 mins. Next day is very nice. Uan Rasey (who played lead on over 5,000 movies!) told me he'd do a morning studio date, drive to the next studio and stop along the way for some Schlossberg. 10-12 plus hours a day, everyday, but things like that kept him playing at the highest level for all those years! __________________ Dave Bacon

07-03-2006, 02:33 PM	#19 (permalink)
MPM Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 230	Warm Down ? There are probably as many opinions on this as there are trumpet players. Here's mine, where my playing is concerned, for what it's worth. Accually this can get a little involved but I'll try to post the "in a nut-shell"version. (1) If it's been a particuarly brutal day / night / gig, I like to warm down with some very easy, slow, soft, Schlossberg-ish lips slurs until get a nice 'focus' back. Then I do Carmine Caruso type chromatic pedals, softly, as low as I can go, then play a chromatic scale from low f# to a high 'E' or 'G' at a mf volume. An analogy would be a serious runner ... he probably wouldn't do a hard 10-15 mile run and then just sit down and call it quits. He'll 'walk it off' get the heart rate back to normal, keep the blood flowing, allowing the lactic acid build up deplete. (2) On a day off, where I'm practicing all day, a nice liesurely, warm up / practice session(s) / warm down all sort of meld into one another so it's not really a "Warm Up"-"Practice"-"Warm Down" regimen. (3) On the Maynard band ... a whole new different ball of wax for me. As trumpet player and valet, as soon as the show is over I'm busy with Maynard so I don't get to warm down. So ... most of the time a very careful warm up the next day is important for me. ---------------- The "Warm Up" is a whole nother thing, and another thread, and different for everyone. ---------------- Hope this helped. Michael Manthey __________________ "~iii<O" Michael Manthey Scodwell USA Trumpets Bob Reeves Mpc's www.ultrapureoils.com Maynard Ferguson BBN Band

07-03-2006, 03:52 PM	#20 (permalink)
loudog Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Grand Island, NE Posts: 170	I like playing lip bends...starting on a G, bending to an F#, then back up, then down to an F, then back up, then down to an E, and so on...I go down a perfect fourth, then I do it all on F#, then i do it all on F, and so on until I get to low C. My lips feel GREAT after that! My goal is to bend slowly, evenly, and hold on the lower pitch for a while. I try to make the timbre of the all the pitches the same, while I'm bending. It's magic for the chops! Louie __________________ Louie Eckhardt, MM Freelance Trumpeter Performance and Instruction http://www.LouieEckhardt.com

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