Why such crazy pricing for lessons!!!! - Page 3

loweredsixth · 11-01-2005, 07:17 PM

I wouldn't mind paying $100+ for an hour lesson as long as there was something very specific I needed from that lesson.

Paying $100+ just to ask someone what warm up routine they use and then spending the rest of the time reading through duets is a waste of money.

But, like Manny said, if you really need help and paying someone $100+ to get that help is worth it.

All that aside, I might actually spend $100 just to hang out with some musicans (Wynton, Schlueter, Manny, Marcus Roberts, Reginald Veal, Herlin Riley, Tain, Branford, etc.) That would be worth it to me!

Joe Lewis

PH · 11-01-2005, 07:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by loweredsixth

I wouldn't mind paying $100+ for an hour lesson as long as there was something very specific I needed from that lesson.

Paying $100+ just to ask someone what warm up routine they use and then spending the rest of the time reading through duets is a waste of money.

But, like Manny said, if you really need help and paying someone $100+ to get that help is worth it.

All that aside, I might actually spend $100 just to hang out with some musicans (Wynton, Schlueter, Manny, Marcus Roberts, Reginald Veal, Herlin Riley, Tain, Branford, etc.) That would be worth it to me!

Joe Lewis

I don't know. I think it would be worth $100 to play duets with Phil Smith for an hour. I'd probably learn more than I could tell you.

ROGERIO · 11-01-2005, 07:26 PM

Hey, you guys may be on to something here...

Phil Smith, Manny, etc etc...

... sit in a recording studio... you pay to come in a play the second trumpet part to [ insert music here ] with a prerecorded orchestra background... you write the check and leave with a recording of YOU (yes you!) playing with [ insert trumpet hero's name here ].

I'd say that would be worth ... ahhh, at the very least $500 - $1,000!

CLASSICAL KAREOKE (sp?)

TrentAustin · 11-01-2005, 07:30 PM

Part of the joy taking lessons with Charlie Banacos is that we get to play (he's a piano player and an original inspiration of my duo CD project) each lesson. What a joy!

Best,

Trent

PS: I can still remember my lesson with Ed Carroll when we were working on Pictures and he demonstrated volume levels on the Great Gate. I have chills thinking about it and still teach extreme volume to my students with his model in my mind! These moments of joy in our lessons are priceless in my opinion.

B15M · 11-01-2005, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Manny Laureano

Maybe this will help.

When I was at a low point I traveled to Chicago for help from Arnold Jacobs. I couldn't find the consistent relief I was looking for in my playing and had been hitting my head against a wall for quite some time.

It was about 1989.

Arnold Jacobs was charging $100 in those days. It took him twenty minutes to fix my playing where no one else I sought did. I owe that man my career.

So, now let me ask you, Jeremy: was it worth it for me to spend $100 to feed his "ego trip"?

ML

Dear ML,

Mary Pickford ??

PH · 11-01-2005, 07:51 PM

Many years ago when I was a young jazz wannabe who had recently moved to New York I had some friends who had a brilliant idea. They played bass, drums, and sax. If 4 or 5 of us kick in $50 each (the cost of a lesson with an NYC master teacher in 1977) we could pay Cedar Walton or Steve Grossman or Billy Hart or Buster Williams $200-250 to come over and jam with us for 3 or 4 hours. It would pay as much as a gig for them and we could learn what it would feel like to play with a true master.

I can't recommend this highly enough...IF you are musically ready for the challenge.

Tarter_trpt8 · 11-01-2005, 08:34 PM

Ok, some of you aren't making valid points. What I said in the beggining in my questions was, "What's the point of charging so much money for a lesson when all a teacher does is relay the messege of what he/she learns." Yeah you could charge 100 dollars an hour, yeah Arnold Jacob's could charge 100 dollars per lesson and change your career but was it necessary to charge that much? Was the money they charged crucial in what they taught you guys??
Some of you said that a teacher keeps his rates high enough to keep the non hardworkers out of the studio. Well you could give a person a lesson and see how they play and if they show potential and responsivness to what you are teaching them, then keep them, if not, boot em. You can make that choice. That is what happened to me down in Dallas Texas. I had a lesson with Tom Booth my freshman year who teaches at SMU and it was basically an audition to see if I was qualified to take up his time in teaching me. I ended up taking lessons with him for 50 dollars an hour and got tons better. I just personally think charging so much is unnecessary despite the knowledge and experience a teacher might have...

Anonymous · 11-01-2005, 08:51 PM

Tarter,

Teachers charge what you think is an exorbitant amount because they can. People are willing to pay it. These are people who are at the very top of their profession and they deserve what they get. You bring up a point that they are only passing on what they have learned. Maybe so. How much did they have to dish out for that knowledge in terms of $ and sacrifice on their part?

I have a BM and MM from a school of music and I have some parents balking at $20 - $25 a half an hour for jrs. lessons... while they are charging $250 an hour to give someone legal advice.

I have Ms. Sallie May busting down my door every month asking for a student loan payment and that will be going on for a while. I spent a bunch of money to learn what I know and I'm going to charge people for it. These people deserve what they get.

Mikey · 11-01-2005, 09:35 PM

B15M · 11-01-2005, 09:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tarter_trpt8

Ok, some of you aren't making valid points. What I said in the beggining in my questions was, "What's the point of charging so much money for a lesson when all a teacher does is relay the messege of what he/she learns." Yeah you could charge 100 dollars an hour, yeah Arnold Jacob's could charge 100 dollars per lesson and change your career but was it necessary to charge that much? Was the money they charged crucial in what they taught you guys??
Some of you said that a teacher keeps his rates high enough to keep the non hardworkers out of the studio. Well you could give a person a lesson and see how they play and if they show potential and responsivness to what you are teaching them, then keep them, if not, boot em. You can make that choice. That is what happened to me down in Dallas Texas. I had a lesson with Tom Booth my freshman year who teaches at SMU and it was basically an audition to see if I was qualified to take up his time in teaching me. I ended up taking lessons with him for 50 dollars an hour and got tons better. I just personally think charging so much is unnecessary despite the knowledge and experience a teacher might have...

So basically you are a socialist

11-01-2005, 07:17 PM	#21 (permalink)
loweredsixth Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Fresno, California, USA Posts: 111	I wouldn't mind paying $100+ for an hour lesson as long as there was something very specific I needed from that lesson. Paying $100+ just to ask someone what warm up routine they use and then spending the rest of the time reading through duets is a waste of money. But, like Manny said, if you really need help and paying someone $100+ to get that help is worth it. All that aside, I might actually spend $100 just to hang out with some musicans (Wynton, Schlueter, Manny, Marcus Roberts, Reginald Veal, Herlin Riley, Tain, Branford, etc.) That would be worth it to me! Joe Lewis __________________ Horn: Flip Oakes Wild Thing American Long Cornet Mouthpiece: Monette B1-1

11-01-2005, 07:30 PM	#24 (permalink)
TrentAustin Moderator Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 1,734	Part of the joy taking lessons with Charlie Banacos is that we get to play (he's a piano player and an original inspiration of my duo CD project) each lesson. What a joy! Best, Trent PS: I can still remember my lesson with Ed Carroll when we were working on Pictures and he demonstrated volume levels on the Great Gate. I have chills thinking about it and still teach extreme volume to my students with his model in my mind! These moments of joy in our lessons are priceless in my opinion. __________________ Trent Austin http://www.trentaustin.com http://www.onlinejazzimprovisation.com Yamaha EM Yamaha Chicago C 1939 Martin Handcraft Imperial (restored at www.osmun.com) Olds Clark Terry Flugel Schilke P5-4 Morrison MDT (coming SOON!) Other horns fs in Marketplace Wedge SST mpcs

11-01-2005, 08:34 PM	#27 (permalink)
Tarter_trpt8 Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: St. Paul, MN Posts: 116	Ok, some of you aren't making valid points. What I said in the beggining in my questions was, "What's the point of charging so much money for a lesson when all a teacher does is relay the messege of what he/she learns." Yeah you could charge 100 dollars an hour, yeah Arnold Jacob's could charge 100 dollars per lesson and change your career but was it necessary to charge that much? Was the money they charged crucial in what they taught you guys?? Some of you said that a teacher keeps his rates high enough to keep the non hardworkers out of the studio. Well you could give a person a lesson and see how they play and if they show potential and responsivness to what you are teaching them, then keep them, if not, boot em. You can make that choice. That is what happened to me down in Dallas Texas. I had a lesson with Tom Booth my freshman year who teaches at SMU and it was basically an audition to see if I was qualified to take up his time in teaching me. I ended up taking lessons with him for 50 dollars an hour and got tons better. I just personally think charging so much is unnecessary despite the knowledge and experience a teacher might have... __________________ "99% is the same as 0%. If you don't feel like giving 100% or can't give 100%, then you might as well stay home." -Will Smith/added to by Jeremy Tarter

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ROGERIO Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: PHOENIX, AZ Posts: 926	Hey, you guys may be on to something here... Phil Smith, Manny, etc etc... ... sit in a recording studio... you pay to come in a play the second trumpet part to [ insert music here ] with a prerecorded orchestra background... you write the check and leave with a recording of YOU (yes you!) playing with [ insert trumpet hero's name here ]. I'd say that would be worth ... ahhh, at the very least $500 - $1,000! CLASSICAL KAREOKE (sp?)

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PH Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Bloomington, Indiana Posts: 582	Many years ago when I was a young jazz wannabe who had recently moved to New York I had some friends who had a brilliant idea. They played bass, drums, and sax. If 4 or 5 of us kick in $50 each (the cost of a lesson with an NYC master teacher in 1977) we could pay Cedar Walton or Steve Grossman or Billy Hart or Buster Williams $200-250 to come over and jam with us for 3 or 4 hours. It would pay as much as a gig for them and we could learn what it would feel like to play with a true master. I can't recommend this highly enough...IF you are musically ready for the challenge.

11-01-2005, 08:51 PM	#28 (permalink)
Anonymous Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,127	Tarter, Teachers charge what you think is an exorbitant amount because they can. People are willing to pay it. These are people who are at the very top of their profession and they deserve what they get. You bring up a point that they are only passing on what they have learned. Maybe so. How much did they have to dish out for that knowledge in terms of $ and sacrifice on their part? I have a BM and MM from a school of music and I have some parents balking at $20 - $25 a half an hour for jrs. lessons... while they are charging $250 an hour to give someone legal advice. I have Ms. Sallie May busting down my door every month asking for a student loan payment and that will be going on for a while. I spent a bunch of money to learn what I know and I'm going to charge people for it. These people deserve what they get.

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