Ballsy, or just dumb? - Page 2

Solar Bell · 03-01-2007, 12:06 PM

THAT! was VERY interesting!

Thanks Derek.

-cw-

Alex Yates · 03-01-2007, 12:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Manny Laureano

I understand the sentiments but let me offer this: if you leave a situation, you leave the opportunity to effect change.
ML

Actually, leaving is exactly what is needed to effect change sometimes. Either way, it is not an easy decision.

stchasking · 03-01-2007, 12:35 PM

I think if she wants the position she should audition for it. Promoting from within is not always the way to go when you want the best. After all, she is second chair. It doesn't mean she should automatically be promoted to concert master.

In St. Louis all positions are blind auditions. Everybody has to earn the chair.
Maybe Susan Slaughter can add to this?

Alex Yates · 03-01-2007, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stchasking

In St. Louis all positions are blind auditions. Everybody has to earn the chair.
Maybe Susan Slaughter can add to this?

Back in '72, Susan had to split the position with another player for an entire SEASON before they gave her the gig. That means she had to audition every other week, in front of everyone - colleagues, audiences, etc. - for 8-9 months before securing the job. Just a little FYI about that.

Mikey · 03-01-2007, 12:52 PM

And if she would have been of the lesser species (male) I wonder if she would have had to split the position. Susan has bigger cojones than a lot of male players I've worked with.

(That is meant as a complement).

Alex Yates · 03-01-2007, 01:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mikey

And if she would have been of the lesser species (male) I wonder if she would have had to split the position. EXACTLY. Susan has bigger cojones than a lot of male players I've worked with. EXACTLY.

(That is meant as a compliment).

I had a "cojones" award given to me by my colleagues whilst in school and I took it as a compliment.

Richard Oliver · 03-01-2007, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Derek Reaban

I happened to click on this thread at TH in the orchestral forum several weeks ago and ended up reading the story in the first post. It sound’s like there are certainly issues that go beyond what is mentioned in this story that Jimi posted.

I wish her well. I really do.

As to the rest, looks like something is rotten in Denmark. I'm reminded of the exchange between Humphrey Bogart and Claude Rains in Casablanca:

Rick: How can you close me up? On what grounds?

Captain Renault: I'm shocked, shocked to find that gambling is going on in here!

[a croupier hands Renault a pile of money]

Croupier: Your winnings, sir.

Captain Renault: [sotto voce] Oh, thank you very much.

[aloud]

Captain Renault: Everybody out at once!

So It Goes,

Richard

ROGERIO · 03-01-2007, 01:22 PM

Very interesting read Derek. Thanks for poiting us there.

It sounds like if she does have "cajones"... it may be the reason she has been safe from him all this time... LOL

What a mess. And I thought the corporate world was bad... but then again an orchestra is a corporation. The final product is just much more beautiful !

Dr. Zink · 03-01-2007, 01:33 PM

Perhaps you should be aware of the rot in Denmark (no offense to the Danes).

From the March 1st Cleveland Scene magazine:
Cleveland - News - Sour Notes - clevescene.com

Dr. Z

Solar Bell · 03-01-2007, 02:21 PM

Dr. Z,

That was posted just up the page by Derek Reaban.

-cw-

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stchasking Forte User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,369	Re: Ballsy, or just dumb? I think if she wants the position she should audition for it. Promoting from within is not always the way to go when you want the best. After all, she is second chair. It doesn't mean she should automatically be promoted to concert master. In St. Louis all positions are blind auditions. Everybody has to earn the chair. Maybe Susan Slaughter can add to this? __________________ "I was performing professionally at age 17 and have never had a real job." Allen Vizzutti http://cdbaby.com/cd/mcking

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Mikey Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,864	Re: Ballsy, or just dumb? And if she would have been of the lesser species (male) I wonder if she would have had to split the position. Susan has bigger cojones than a lot of male players I've worked with. (That is meant as a complement).

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ROGERIO Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: PHOENIX, AZ Posts: 926	Re: Ballsy, or just dumb? Very interesting read Derek. Thanks for poiting us there. It sounds like if she does have "cajones"... it may be the reason she has been safe from him all this time... LOL What a mess. And I thought the corporate world was bad... but then again an orchestra is a corporation. The final product is just much more beautiful !

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Dr. Zink Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: North Coast US Posts: 66	Re: Ballsy, or just dumb? Perhaps you should be aware of the rot in Denmark (no offense to the Danes). From the March 1st Cleveland Scene magazine: Cleveland - News - Sour Notes - clevescene.com Dr. Z

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Solar Bell Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Metro Detroit Posts: 4,022	Re: Ballsy, or just dumb? Dr. Z, That was posted just up the page by Derek Reaban. -cw- __________________ Chuck Willard *The Willard of Oz* "Don't be afraid to see what you see." Ronald Reagan

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