ADziuk

I would much rather hear a live pianist with a trumpet than a recording with a trumpet.

Besides, I don't think you guys know your music history very well if you are that much of a purist. Bach, Handel, Beethoven, etc. all took many of their own works and rearranged them later. Also, often they took each other's works and rearranged them later.

Is Ravel bastardizing Pictures by orchestrating it?
In fact, in Bach's time, small orchestra parts and organ were often interchangeable. Small ensembles would often not even have specific instruments designated. Many later composers took whole sets of Bach's music and re-arranged them into small group works from his keyboard works and vice versa.

Honestly, it isn't a really big deal. On top of all this, the other parts in Brandenburg #2 aren't nearly as difficult to the other instruments as our part is. Add in that some research shows he specifically MAY have written that concerto with a nearby famous trumpet player in mind(Either one in the Prince's court or in a nearby guild) and it really becomes even more appropriate to make an arrangement for trumpet and piano.

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I may agree with you but I believe there are more respectful ways of saying what you said. The posters have earned that irrespective of whether you have a different opinion.

ML

ADziuk

Sorry, I didn't mean to come off as insulting. I tend to take everything in a very lighthearted matter, and I tend to type how I talk. I forget that without a voice inflection things can come across differently than I intended.

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wiseone2

I understand. There is no substitute for the actual instrumentation. Learning just how softly one must play is the shocker.Ever play duets with a flute or oboe using your picc? Try it, it is good to do for many reasons. You will start to get insights into musical inflections you never imagined!
Wilmer

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Kenzo

BRAVO Wilmer. BRAVO!

I had a professor who strongly suggested I learn to play duets with a flute/oboe/violin/clarinet/etc. Quite a learning experience.

Thanks for your wonderful insight.

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fast_finger_swinger

if you want to play it as it was you have to get a valveless piccolo trumpet and go to a museum and get a harpiscord.

fast_finger_swinger

this guy is right, has anyone found the real arrangemant for trumpet voluntary

Jimi Michiel

You're right, BUT the genius of Bach lies in his PERFECT balance and proportion. Bach would have no problem arranging the ripieno parts because there would still be a balance between the ripieno and concertino. As long as all the voices within the ripieno are treated equally in the reduction, the balance stays intact. Similarly, the four concertino voices could be reduced to a keyboard part, to be played with the original or reduced ripieno parts. However, when you take a single voice of the concertino and incorporate the remaining three voices into the ripieno, you turn a concerto grosso into a standard concerto. This simply doesn't work. The counterpoint between the soloists is destroyed when the voices are prioritized. Bach would have never re-arranged a work in this way. It seems odd, but in theory (and practice), BWV 1047 works better for 4 kazoos and orchestra than solo trumpet and organ. Sorry

Jimi Michiel
BM, trumpet and musicology
MM, musicology (in progress)

PS Check out the analysis of Bach's transcriptions of his own works in Christoph Wolff's recent monograph Bach: The Learned Musician if you don't believe me

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trombapaul

I'm sorry but do you realize how difficult it is to get 4 really good kazoo players
in the same room???

Paul

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wiseone2

I recall a moment in the Ligeti Violin Concerto for those instruments...........or was it penny whistles. It was hard to tell what was going on, we were so deep under plastic shields
Wilmer

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