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I think Maurice Andrés contribution to the trumpet world were in his almost unparalleled command of the instrument, control of air, attack, beauty of sound, phrasing- but not his interpretations of Austrian/German music (Haydn, Hummel, Bach, Leopold Mozart, Molter.............).
Yes, Maurice André has an influence on just about any classical solo. He is one of the definers of 20th century solo trumpet playing - just not for me on Austrian/German music. He also broke every rule there was on baroque ornamentation - it became André ornamentation - in all of its glory. I still bought all of the albums and CDs - and still enjoy them! You can't help but getting drawn in to his playing. The rest does not matter!

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stchasking

Do you guys play the Hayden on a Bb trumpet or an Eb trumpet?

I asked Edward Tarr about playing the trills and he looked at me like I had attended the wrong conference. I realized then why all the orchestral competitors were carrying Eb trumpets. I meekly said something like, "I guess I should play it on an Eb trumpet?" He said nothing but nodded his head, yes. That was the first tid bit of information I learned at my first ITG conference.

So what do you'all do? Carol Dawn-Reinhart told me she plays everything on a Bb. She uses false fingering for the trills. She is an incredible player.

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GordonH

The original instrument it is written for is a keyed natural trumpet, therefore a Bb or Eb valved trumpet are equally wrong. You should try and get a recording of it on original instrument. I have the Friedmann Immer recording.

Playing it on Eb trumpet makes sense but I do it on Bb and partly because Mr Tarr himself puts part of the third movement down an octave in his edited/reconstructed publication of it (with HC Robbins Landon). I don't think you could pl;ay it as written on an Eb three valve trumpet.

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masterfulmusic29

Gordon I will have you know that I have seen 3 people play the Haydn in the proper octave on an Eb trumpet. I think that Wynton Marsalis got people thinking that it was okay when he started doing it on recordings and live performances.
Besides the transposition from Bb to Eb is a perfect 4th down. why would you need to take anything down an octave?
James

GordonH

The last few bars of the last movement in the original manuscript are a bottom C on a Bb trumpet which you can't play on an Eb trumpet.

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trumpetnick

Reinhold Friedrich has a nice recording on key trumpet... http://www.amazon.de/Konzerte-f%C3%B.../dp/B000001WSY

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B15M

I can't do it but, I think I've heard it done

Manny Laureano

Tarr's reaction is a curious one since you can't get into a German orchestra without showing that you can play it on a Bb rotary trumpet.

Learning that piece completely on the Bb is one of those rites of passage that every serious trumpeter should go through before you even know what an Eb trumpet is. Learning to negotiate those trills is a "hardening' experience that boosts your technique.

ML

Hardnut

Hehe that's pretty much the situation I'm in - I don't think I'll feasibly be able to get an Eb trumpet for another 5 years :s

Guess I'd better try and master it on the Bb...

Chris.

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stchasking

Bb it is. Sorry to hijack the thread. I don't know any of the history like you guys. So much of this is new to me.

How about the Hummel? Could I have mixed up the Hummel with the Hayden? The nature of your replies indicates I may have mixed up the two. I can't really recall exactly since it was 10 years ago that I asked Ed the question.

Thank you for the input.

Jim

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