ecarroll

TMers,

Sorry to rain on the Wynton/Sergei parades but J-C is right. The original key was E and the manuscript is in the British Museum. I spent a marvelous afternoon with it when I was teaching at the Royal Academy of Music.

Cheers,
EC

bagmangood

No worries
The whole which key thing is really interesting to think about though (at least for me)
Thanks for setting it straight

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siarr

Bagmangood posted this:
"But on a separate note, I think someone posted somewhere about a company mass producing Eb/E trumpets?"

I started athread on the Horns forum asking if anyone had tried the B&S E/Eb trumpet. So far no response...anyone here tried one?

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Chas

cornetguy

Yamaha also makes a nice eb\e that of course came out 18 months after I bought mine and I don't have the cash to buy it (and dont want to sell the eb/d i have because the d side is pretty good)

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rowuk

Umm, there is an additional factor to be considered. The original WAS in E AND they probably tuned to A=435 in Vienna back then. "Original pitched performances" should thus be BETWEEN Eb and E.

It is not safe to assume that any of the recordings available with modern instruments represent anything historical. It is easier for a trumpeter to play in Eb and that is why there are arrangements in that key. The audience is just interested in the music............. What's a half step between friends?

Check this link out:

History of Pitch - Tuning Forks A440 C523.3

I have an F trumpet made in Austria around the turn of the century. It is pitched in F# ( A=465)

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mahaberio

Robin brought up the point I was going to. I personally prefer the piece in E (no need for an E trumpet, try it on C), but neither modern E-flat or E is true to the original pitch.

Athos

Hummel wrote for Weidinger's keyed trumpet in E. The concerto was transposed to E-flat in the 20th century to facilitate performance on modern instruments in E-flat and B-flat.

Yamaha does make an E/E-flat trumpet, and there may be others available as well.

Johntpt

Schilke makes 3 and 4 valve combination G-F-E trumpets, as well as the Yamaha, B & S, and Blackburn. Believe it or not, once you have an E trumpet you'll find other uses for it as well - try the Tocatto from Pulcinella on an E, for example.

The Hummel in E is also very playable on a good D trumpet.

After performing the Hummel in E it sounds and feels funny in Eb, not quite "right".

JU

ecarroll

TMers,

The Hummel Concerto sounds far better in E if you're playing it with an orchestra as the violins, violas, cellos, and basses enjoy the bloom afforded by playing open strings (the 2nd movement sounds particularily congested in a flat minor).

The E/Eb doesn't matter for performances with piano, obviously, and for these I prefer Eb.

Best,
EC

cornetguy

Herseth and Scarlett would play Beethoven 7 on E trumpet too

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