Richard Oliver

L'audace, l'audace, toujours l'audace.

Jhorn229h

.....or you can play your Bb, transpose up a step, and see if you can fool them!

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Jimi Michiel

didn't Vacchiano have an extended slide built onto one of his horns so he could play C while the conductor though he was playing B-flat?

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fnchdrms87

I think mr. maccluers words speak for themselves...take them how you will, but it is the reality of the situation and he's probably doing someone a favor by telling it how it is... he's probably got more audition experience then a many of us combined on this forum, so I would guess he probably know's how the game is played... we have to remember that this IS the new york philharmonic here

B15M

While he is being so educational, how does he know the person asking the question is planning on taking the audition. Maybe he is just a trumpet player asking a question so he can learn. Maybe he will use the information gathered to better himself for a future audition and doesn't appreciate being talked down to.

Isn't this suposed to be an open forum for the free exchange of ideas and information?

Should we stop asking questions because a pro might not think we are worthy of asking them?

Maybe this guy is the god of trumpet players and I should bow to him and ask forgiveness for asking such a stupid question.

The truth is that I am not a pro player and don't want to be. (I couldn't take the cut in pay) I just had a question!

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wiseone2

The New York Philharmonic is one of the top orchestras in the world. It's players are some of the finest musicians on this planet. Is it too much to expect that an applicant for a position in this organization to be knowledgeable about the tools of their trade? For a trumpet player who aspires to play in this orchestra, major league talents are a requirement. The NYP has a 52 week season. It regularly plays the most difficult music written. It is expected that it's players are world-class musicians. Their starting salary is more than $100,000 a year. It is, for a professional musician a very serious job. An orchestra can not realistically hear every player who wants to play. Standards must be upheld. Only qualified players should apply.
Wilmer

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wiseone2

The story I heard is that the long belled 236 D trumpet with C slides was used as a cornet.........we know those guys on the podium can't see
Wilmer

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fnchdrms87

You should have probably clarified what you meant when you asked the question then. The audition process is very serious and there is a lot at stake for both the applicants and the orchestra....so you can't really "mess" around as one would say.

rowuk

Joe,
I see where you are coming from, and this happens all the time here - although on other topics it is not as noticable!
TM has players from all aspects of life, beginners, advanced amateurs, pros and people aspiring to be pros. The problem with any question or answer is the perspective of the answer.
In this case, you asked a simple question and wanted a simple answer. The perspective from the pros made your question much more complicated. Instead of just an answer for why C, we got the whole game of life in the fast lane.
Your question is a very "big deal" to the people in that circus because there are too many players looking for jobs that are not ready, but think that they are! There is no way to politically correctly let THOSE players know that they just don't cut the mustard. It might damage their "self esteem" (bad news in the 21st century - but of no concern to the orchestras)!
I am sorry if the tone of one of my posts was not in line - I had a different perspective, but now understand yours!!

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B15M

This whole idea of learning and teaching is tricky. I can't think of another industry where you can go to your competition and ask for help.

I don't subscribe to the idea that the NY Phil is above auditioning for the aspiring. I think that if they will let you and you want to make playing your profusion you should go. You have nothing to loose and everything to gain. I suppose you will loose a couple hundred dollars in transportation, but it's a small price to pay for what you will learn.

I went to a small party for Charlie Schlueter at ITG and listened to some of the speeches and talked with a bunch of people. Currently playing and retired. It seemed to be common to keep auditioning until it hits. You never know. Sometimes it's really fast and other times it takes a while. I am a firm believer that every time it gets easier. The more you do it, the more you get used to the surroundings, the easier it gets.

I never really tried to make it playing. If I went into my job thinking that the next level was above me though, I would fail.
Always strive for more. Don't look back. Never stop learning. People can rise to any challenge. NY is a world class orchestra, yes, but you can play too.

And,

NEVER STOP ASKING QUESTIONS!!!

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