A Trumpeter's Lullaby - Single or Double tounge? - Page 2

B15M · 03-09-2008, 11:07 AM

I played this piece for Kurt Anderson and his mother. (Mrs Anderson)

Kurt told me a story which I found on the website link supplied above.
Here is a portion of it:

"Suddenly Roger Voisin asked me why I didn't write a trumpet solo for him to play with the orchestra that would be different from traditional trumpet solos which are all loud, martial or triumphant. After thinking it over, it occurred to me that I had never heard a lullaby for trumpet so I set out to write one --- with a quiet melody based on bugle notes played by the trumpet and with the rest of the orchestra playing a lullaby background."

I have tried to think of that when I play it. I take the first and last section in 4, on the slow side. Sixteenth notes long and eighth notes shorter. It's a quiet lullaby that you would sing to a baby.

The middle section is quicker and a little more rough. As it gets to the end of the middle section it gets smoother and leads back to the lullaby.

Just some thoughts.

signboydan · 03-09-2008, 01:33 PM

Understood. The intent was to distinguish against playing them too long, or even legato. They are supposed to be "shorter" than the eight notes, but I get the point you are making. I am not trying to turn this into a March or fanfare by any means...

Thanks,
Dan

signboydan · 03-09-2008, 01:40 PM

Thanks B15M,

The description you gave reminds me of the Doc Severinsen version...very smooth and melodic at the beginning, quick in the middle, but slowing, and then very slow again at the end. Unfortunately, our Director wants to take it much quicker than this. I may have to bring him several recordings so he can hear the difference. I really don't want to make a choppy mess out of this, especially since this is a Leroy Anderson Centennial concert.

Thanks,
Dan

Bugler · 03-13-2008, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by signboydan

Greetings all,
I am a new member. I am a comeback player who stopped playing in the 9th grade (some 25 years ago). I have been playing very consistently for the past 5 years, and will be performing "A Trumpeter's Lullaby" with my local Concert Band (Huntington Beach Concert Band).

My question is: Is this piece supposed to be played Single-tounged or Double-tounged? I saw post in here somewhere that said it was to be double-tounged, but I thought it was supposed to be single-tounged. I can definitely play it quicker double-tounged, but I want to be sure I'm doing it correctly.

Any info or advice would be appreciated (positive or negative).

Thanks,
Dan

Here is the definitive recording (backround music on the home page) by James F. Burke.

Burke did the original recording with Anderson, and after the final take, the orchestra, as well as the pleased conductor gave him a standing ovation.

This was my first NYSSMA solo, and Mr. Burke was my teacher. DEFINATELY double tongue it. Make those 16th notes speak. (And I almost forgot - those triplets are to be triple tongued)

The James F. Burke Tribute Page | Cornet Soloist & Solo Chair - The Goldman Band 1943-1974

Smithi20 · 03-13-2008, 07:46 PM

and remember, you´re trying to put people to sleep!

stchasking · 03-13-2008, 10:24 PM

Compact Disc:

Doc Severinsen, Lullabies and Goodnight
Critique Records Inc. 800 West Cummings Park #2500
Woburn, Ma 01801

Bar code 0 1624-15406-2 5

I bought mine from Amazon

That Burke solo is nice.

Sterling · 03-14-2008, 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpetplyr

Staccato is not equal to short. Keep them light and give them a lilt, if you will, but don't aim for 'shortness'. It will make the performance choppy and will destroy the lyricism elsewhere in the line. He marked them staccato so they would be distinctly articulated. They should sound the same single or double tongued. Play the piece around half note = 60 (as marked) and tongue it the way that sounds the best. If you want to play short staccato notes, play some Stravinsky.

Mini-rant (to band directors):
Staccato is not short.
Making the brass play shorter does not make them play more together.
Making the brass play shorter does not make them play faster and with better tempo.
Staccato is not short!!
End mini-rant.

Stuart

I've been a band director for 29 years and I still rant about Staccato does not mean short! Another rant is a dotted quarter note is not two beats long!

B15M · 03-14-2008, 05:21 PM

What does Staccato mean?

MJ · 03-14-2008, 05:52 PM

I have never been in a situation where I would have been able to single tongue it.

03-09-2008, 11:07 AM	#11 (permalink)
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,282	Re: A Trumpeter's Lullaby - Single or Double tounge? I played this piece for Kurt Anderson and his mother. (Mrs Anderson) Kurt told me a story which I found on the website link supplied above. Here is a portion of it: "Suddenly Roger Voisin asked me why I didn't write a trumpet solo for him to play with the orchestra that would be different from traditional trumpet solos which are all loud, martial or triumphant. After thinking it over, it occurred to me that I had never heard a lullaby for trumpet so I set out to write one --- with a quiet melody based on bugle notes played by the trumpet and with the rest of the orchestra playing a lullaby background." I have tried to think of that when I play it. I take the first and last section in 4, on the slow side. Sixteenth notes long and eighth notes shorter. It's a quiet lullaby that you would sing to a baby. The middle section is quicker and a little more rough. As it gets to the end of the middle section it gets smoother and leads back to the lullaby. Just some thoughts. __________________ http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/

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signboydan New Friend Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8	Re: A Trumpeter's Lullaby - Single or Double tounge? Understood. The intent was to distinguish against playing them too long, or even legato. They are supposed to be "shorter" than the eight notes, but I get the point you are making. I am not trying to turn this into a March or fanfare by any means... Thanks, Dan __________________ 1971 LA Benge French Besson C-Trumpet Bach Stradivarius 182 Flugelhorn Bach Stradivarius 37 Cornet

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signboydan New Friend Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Orange County, CA Posts: 8	Re: A Trumpeter's Lullaby - Single or Double tounge? Thanks B15M, The description you gave reminds me of the Doc Severinsen version...very smooth and melodic at the beginning, quick in the middle, but slowing, and then very slow again at the end. Unfortunately, our Director wants to take it much quicker than this. I may have to bring him several recordings so he can hear the difference. I really don't want to make a choppy mess out of this, especially since this is a Leroy Anderson Centennial concert. Thanks, Dan __________________ 1971 LA Benge French Besson C-Trumpet Bach Stradivarius 182 Flugelhorn Bach Stradivarius 37 Cornet

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Smithi20 Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: London Posts: 91	Re: A Trumpeter's Lullaby - Single or Double tounge? and remember, you´re trying to put people to sleep! __________________ Ian Eng Bessons: Proteano Bb/A and C/Bb //Warburton 3M10 Weltklang //Warburton 3FLX Last edited by Smithi20; 03-13-2008 at 07:48 PM.

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stchasking Forte User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,367	Re: A Trumpeter's Lullaby - Single or Double tounge? Compact Disc: Doc Severinsen, Lullabies and Goodnight Critique Records Inc. 800 West Cummings Park #2500 Woburn, Ma 01801 Bar code 0 1624-15406-2 5 I bought mine from Amazon That Burke solo is nice. __________________ "I was performing professionally at age 17 and have never had a real job." Allen Vizzutti http://cdbaby.com/cd/mcking Last edited by stchasking; 03-13-2008 at 10:28 PM.

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