Whos Better Maynard Or Miles - Page 2

PhatmonB6 · 07-07-2005, 11:43 PM

I was not going to vote because it is such a nonsense poll. I listen and enjoy both of them. The reason I picked Miles is because of everything he stands for in Jazz and how he shaped it (if that makes sense). I know MF has done alot but I really feel Miles between these two has a bigger following and history. JMHO

Solar Bell · 07-07-2005, 11:49 PM

Manny Wrote:

Quote:

"I get no kicks from champagne..."

....but I get a BELT, out of you! (Wilmer's line)

-cw-

Manny Laureano · 07-07-2005, 11:51 PM

Now, see? That makes sense.

If you ask "which trumpeter had a greater impact on jazz?", that would be a great discussion. Lots of points to be made for each player.

Leave it to Phatmon!

ML

Rgale · 07-08-2005, 04:35 AM

Much better question! Without doubt, Miles had a greater influence on music. Maynard is a great player, but he didn't change jazz -several times- the way Miles did. Miles was nowhere near Maynard, as far as what he could do in the high register; But Miles was a great artist. And that's not a word I use lightly.

The Green Dolphin · 07-08-2005, 09:24 AM

I was going to weigh in on the thought that Miles was just a bop musician. But rgale wrote well of what Miles meant to jazz and American music.
So -- what he said.

Jason Palmer · 07-09-2005, 05:55 PM

Miles was a better musician all around. He really transcended outside of the "trumpet" world.

Clarence · 07-09-2005, 08:39 PM

your kidding right?

Clarence · 07-09-2005, 08:42 PM

well, if you cant solo..............better get sumpin happnen.
I bet tis is a fire starter!

Clarence · 07-09-2005, 08:44 PM

Now if you had said miles or lee morgan

NickD · 07-10-2005, 11:07 AM

There have been some great analogies for how this comparison is essetnailly an apples and oranges thing. I have one more. Maynard is the lead players' lead player. He has chops galore and could blow a fabulous solo on top of it. He's an all around musician. Miles is a jazz ARTIST first and foremost, in my opinion. The trumpet was simply his voice. Speaking of voices, how about comparing Louis Armstrong to Caruso? The question to ask is "who had the greatest influence on US singers" not "who is the better singer," imho. Or better yet, " who created something that will be remembered for many decades?"

Miles, IMHO, great gift to us was a style and sound and creative artistry that could transcend the athletics of trumpet. Let's face it, how many non-trumpet-geeks or non-big-band-geeks would recognize the name Maynard Ferguson? Don't ge me wrong! I owe him a great deal. MF has been one of my trumpet idols since I was a kid, and I am still amazed at his legacy (still growing!). It has been some 24 years since I was on his band and I still talk about it with, well, "pride" for a lack of a better word (disclaimer: I personally am very skittish about the word "pride" when it applies to me; imho when I apply pride in any way to me, it smacks of arrogance on my part, and I certainly don't mean to imply that. Humility is a fundamental foundation of my continued work as a trumpeter.). Maynard is a giant among trumpeters and musicians and serious jazz music lovers. Miles, on the other hand is a giant in the entire music world. You could walk up to almost any stranger on the street, and the name Miles Davis will ring a bell.

As a student of jazz trumpet soloing, I am seeking a balance in my playing. For a very long time my solo work was totaly steeped in the influence of Maynard. I never missed a chance to pepper my audience with high notes - the louder and higher the better. However, when I began to really study the craft, my teachers (Joe Daley and Rich Corpolongo) almost immediately re-directed my thinking towards Miles Davis, Chet Baker and then Clifford Brown. They were even careful to keep me away from Dizzy, for a while, because of my high note bent driven by Maynard's influence. I was starting to notice that when I would indugle in the high note show off thing, some people in the audience would occassionaly express displeasure with it (whincing, fingers in the ears, you know...). I took offense unil I realized what I was doing; I was SHOWING OFF, NOT EXPRESSING.

I would guess Maynard found a balance that allowed him to be very expressive in his pyrotechnics. I haven't as yet. Hence my efforts. Now, Miles was about expression, period! There was always something just pouring out of him whenever he played. Coltrane was the same way. They were channeling something through the horn and it came out to have an impact on a spiritual level on all within earshot. Miles trumpet playing was nowhere near as steeped in physical or technical prowess (as with a Maynard or Dizzy). Heck, he'd hit many "clams" in a solo, yet the clams were meaningless as clams, when you listen to the whole solo - context and ideas. The atmosphere created by Davis was simply electrifying!

So is Miles better than Maynard or is Mayard better then Miles - as trumpeters? Who knows. Liten to Miles Smiles, sometime. He could really get around on that thing. Listen to Mayard with Ellis and Keifer on Three More Foxes. He could play be-bop with the best of them (Don Ellis was one of the most amazing jazz aritists around). I don't think the poll begs an actual answer to the question, so I will decline from taking it.

OK, I am seriously rambling. I hope this diatribe makes some sense. It is ALL based on my OPINIONS and taste, so I do not present anything as factoids in any way.

Peace.

Nick

View Poll Results: whos the better trumpet player
maynard ferguson	18	46.15%
miles davis	21	53.85%
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07-07-2005, 11:43 PM	#11 (permalink)
PhatmonB6 Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Minnesota Posts: 662	I was not going to vote because it is such a nonsense poll. I listen and enjoy both of them. The reason I picked Miles is because of everything he stands for in Jazz and how he shaped it (if that makes sense). I know MF has done alot but I really feel Miles between these two has a bigger following and history. JMHO __________________ Bach Strad 180S37 Monette B2 Well, if I could play like Wynton (Marsalis), I wouldn't play like Wynton. Chet Baker

07-08-2005, 04:35 AM	#14 (permalink)
Rgale Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Posts: 856	Much better question! Without doubt, Miles had a greater influence on music. Maynard is a great player, but he didn't change jazz -several times- the way Miles did. Miles was nowhere near Maynard, as far as what he could do in the high register; But Miles was a great artist. And that's not a word I use lightly. __________________ Listen to your inner voice before it says ,"I told you so".

07-08-2005, 09:24 AM	#15 (permalink)
The Green Dolphin New Friend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: northern Wisconsin Posts: 19	I was going to weigh in on the thought that Miles was just a bop musician. But rgale wrote well of what Miles meant to jazz and American music. So -- what he said. __________________ Getzen 481

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Clarence Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 746	your kidding right? __________________ You heard it here 1st, in what ever u do if u buy the ticket u take the ride! Stage 1XH Bb Phaeton 2030 Bb Jupiter flugle 846bl black Kersting Pocket trumpet Stage1 MP schilke 11 MP Sdsytems LCM77 wireless Shure PGX wireless

07-07-2005, 11:51 PM	#13 (permalink)
Manny Laureano Utimate User Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: USA Posts: 5,989	Now, see? That makes sense. If you ask "which trumpeter had a greater impact on jazz?", that would be a great discussion. Lots of points to be made for each player. Leave it to Phatmon! ML

07-09-2005, 05:55 PM	#16 (permalink)
Jason Palmer New Friend Join Date: May 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 8	Miles was a better musician all around. He really transcended outside of the "trumpet" world.

07-09-2005, 08:42 PM	#18 (permalink)
Clarence Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 746	well, if you cant solo..............better get sumpin happnen. I bet tis is a fire starter! __________________ You heard it here 1st, in what ever u do if u buy the ticket u take the ride! Stage 1XH Bb Phaeton 2030 Bb Jupiter flugle 846bl black Kersting Pocket trumpet Stage1 MP schilke 11 MP Sdsytems LCM77 wireless Shure PGX wireless

07-09-2005, 08:44 PM	#19 (permalink)
Clarence Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: san diego Posts: 746	Now if you had said miles or lee morgan __________________ You heard it here 1st, in what ever u do if u buy the ticket u take the ride! Stage 1XH Bb Phaeton 2030 Bb Jupiter flugle 846bl black Kersting Pocket trumpet Stage1 MP schilke 11 MP Sdsytems LCM77 wireless Shure PGX wireless

07-10-2005, 11:07 AM	#20 (permalink)
NickD Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Chicago northern suburbs Posts: 826	I can't vote in the poll There have been some great analogies for how this comparison is essetnailly an apples and oranges thing. I have one more. Maynard is the lead players' lead player. He has chops galore and could blow a fabulous solo on top of it. He's an all around musician. Miles is a jazz ARTIST first and foremost, in my opinion. The trumpet was simply his voice. Speaking of voices, how about comparing Louis Armstrong to Caruso? The question to ask is "who had the greatest influence on US singers" not "who is the better singer," imho. Or better yet, " who created something that will be remembered for many decades?" Miles, IMHO, great gift to us was a style and sound and creative artistry that could transcend the athletics of trumpet. Let's face it, how many non-trumpet-geeks or non-big-band-geeks would recognize the name Maynard Ferguson? Don't ge me wrong! I owe him a great deal. MF has been one of my trumpet idols since I was a kid, and I am still amazed at his legacy (still growing!). It has been some 24 years since I was on his band and I still talk about it with, well, "pride" for a lack of a better word (disclaimer: I personally am very skittish about the word "pride" when it applies to me; imho when I apply pride in any way to me, it smacks of arrogance on my part, and I certainly don't mean to imply that. Humility is a fundamental foundation of my continued work as a trumpeter.). Maynard is a giant among trumpeters and musicians and serious jazz music lovers. Miles, on the other hand is a giant in the entire music world. You could walk up to almost any stranger on the street, and the name Miles Davis will ring a bell. As a student of jazz trumpet soloing, I am seeking a balance in my playing. For a very long time my solo work was totaly steeped in the influence of Maynard. I never missed a chance to pepper my audience with high notes - the louder and higher the better. However, when I began to really study the craft, my teachers (Joe Daley and Rich Corpolongo) almost immediately re-directed my thinking towards Miles Davis, Chet Baker and then Clifford Brown. They were even careful to keep me away from Dizzy, for a while, because of my high note bent driven by Maynard's influence. I was starting to notice that when I would indugle in the high note show off thing, some people in the audience would occassionaly express displeasure with it (whincing, fingers in the ears, you know...). I took offense unil I realized what I was doing; I was SHOWING OFF, NOT EXPRESSING. I would guess Maynard found a balance that allowed him to be very expressive in his pyrotechnics. I haven't as yet. Hence my efforts. Now, Miles was about expression, period! There was always something just pouring out of him whenever he played. Coltrane was the same way. They were channeling something through the horn and it came out to have an impact on a spiritual level on all within earshot. Miles trumpet playing was nowhere near as steeped in physical or technical prowess (as with a Maynard or Dizzy). Heck, he'd hit many "clams" in a solo, yet the clams were meaningless as clams, when you listen to the whole solo - context and ideas. The atmosphere created by Davis was simply electrifying! So is Miles better than Maynard or is Mayard better then Miles - as trumpeters? Who knows. Liten to Miles Smiles, sometime. He could really get around on that thing. Listen to Mayard with Ellis and Keifer on Three More Foxes. He could play be-bop with the best of them (Don Ellis was one of the most amazing jazz aritists around). I don't think the poll begs an actual answer to the question, so I will decline from taking it. OK, I am seriously rambling. I hope this diatribe makes some sense. It is ALL based on my OPINIONS and taste, so I do not present anything as factoids in any way. Peace. Nick __________________ NickD "Free Online Lessons in Extreme Trumpet Playing" http://www.nickdrozdoff.com http://www.newyorktrumpetcompany.com/ http://www.myspace.com/nickdrozdoff

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