Big mouthpiece for a softer sound - Page 2

Reverend · 09-20-2006, 10:54 AM

I believe that Warburton makes mouthpieces larger than a Bach 1. You might want to check out their site for more details.

Blessings,

MartinRooney · 09-21-2006, 02:19 PM

I second Trent's suggestion. The Curry TF is a terrific mouthpiece. I started using one this summer, and it has a big fat round burnished sound. [Of course, I'm on a 5 TF rather than a 1 :) ] It is noticably harder to play above a high D or Eb, and does not have the core or sparkle of my GR, but it is perfect for sectional work in the wind ensemble. Good luck.

Ari · 09-21-2006, 04:33 PM

ok, thanks for all the help. I´m thinking of buying a curry 1tf. I saw a 00TF, and wondered what that is? And what difference will a 5tf make compared to 1tf? Anybody know the specs compared to yamaha 16e4?

dcstep · 09-21-2006, 04:38 PM

The GR66FD is a flugel mpc with a shank designed to fit into a trumpet receive. It gives a great flugel-ish tone on trumpet, along the lines that you seek.

Dave

Ari · 09-22-2006, 04:33 AM

ok, I am just about to order when suddenly, I noticed the Schilke 24 with a 18+ rim diameter. What are your opinions on Curry 1HTF vs Schilke 24?

dcstep · 09-22-2006, 09:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ari

ok, I am just about to order when suddenly, I noticed the Schilke 24 with a 18+ rim diameter. What are your opinions on Curry 1HTF vs Schilke 24?

I don't know the 24 and will assume that it has Schilke's normal B/C-cup style. If that's so, then the Curry or GR-FD will better achieve your goal, thanks to their funnel-shaped cups. The cup, throat and backbore have more impact on tone than the diameter of the cup. The TF-series and FD-series are designed to produce flugelish sounds.

Dave

R.A.S. · 09-22-2006, 01:28 PM

Ari
You asked the difference between Curry's 1 rim (.680) and his 5 rim (.660) - a huge difference!

Here's how the rim diameter on your Yamaha 16E4 compares to Curry and Schilke:
.675 Schilke 16, Yamaha 16E4
.680 Schilke 17, Curry 1tf
.685 Schilke 18
.695 Schilke 19
.700 Schilke 20
.710 Schilke 22
.720 Schilke 24

The largest Schilkes with single numbers tend to have shallower cups "B/C" than the Bach "C" cups we're used to seeing.

Probably your Yamaha or the Curry 1tf would get the sound you are looking for.

Hope this helps!

nieuwguyski · 09-22-2006, 04:12 PM

Why the obsession with the width of the cup? If you're looking for a flugel-like sound, I'd recommend looking into any of the deep V-cup mouthpieces already suggested (Curry, Reeves, etc.) with a width and rim that are as similar to your Yamaha mouthpiece as possible. The depth of the new mouthpiece will help you produce the tone you're looking for -- a wider diameter will just throw another major change into your mouthpiece safari.

And keep in mind, Chet Baker's mouthpiece was a Bach 6, either a C or B cup. Neither terribly wide nor extremely deep.

R.A.S. · 09-22-2006, 04:32 PM

Oh yeah, I forgot!
You could buy my old Giardinelli 1VM/1C screw-rim combination.
Now, that (1VM) sounds like a flugel!
Who knows what the rim size is on that one.

Dale Proctor · 09-22-2006, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nieuwguyski

Why the obsession with the width of the cup? The depth of the new mouthpiece will help you produce the tone you're looking for -- a wider diameter will just throw another major change into your mouthpiece safari.

And keep in mind, Chet Baker's mouthpiece was a Bach 6, either a C or B cup. Neither terribly wide nor extremely deep.

Agreed. As I said earlier......"The depth of a mouthpiece probably makes more difference in the tone quality than the width does, though." I also agree that a Bach 6 (I have a Bach 6, and a Bach 6BM) will give a very dark tone without making the upper range too difficult.

09-20-2006, 10:54 AM	#11 (permalink)
Reverend Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Greater Houston area Posts: 158	I believe that Warburton makes mouthpieces larger than a Bach 1. You might want to check out their site for more details. Blessings, __________________ Michael Guevara, DMM Cinco Ranch Conservatory of Music www.cincoranchmusic.com Golden Trumpet Ministries Authorized Stage 1 and Fides Dealer, Texas and Southern US

09-21-2006, 02:19 PM	#12 (permalink)
MartinRooney New Friend Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Boston MA Posts: 10	Curry TF I second Trent's suggestion. The Curry TF is a terrific mouthpiece. I started using one this summer, and it has a big fat round burnished sound. [Of course, I'm on a 5 TF rather than a 1 :) ] It is noticably harder to play above a high D or Eb, and does not have the core or sparkle of my GR, but it is perfect for sectional work in the wind ensemble. Good luck. __________________ Marty Eclipse MR Bb (gold plate) GR66L/Curry 5TF Smith-Watkins C - 464R20/250 (gold plate) w/GR66L symphonic Kanstul CCT 920 Pic GR62P-M Courtois 156R Flugel GR65Fl

09-21-2006, 04:38 PM	#14 (permalink)
dcstep Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Denver Posts: 680	The GR66FD is a flugel mpc with a shank designed to fit into a trumpet receive. It gives a great flugel-ish tone on trumpet, along the lines that you seek. Dave __________________ Schilke '60 B1 Selmer Paris -- '57 #20 K-Modified/ '03 Concept TT w/ GR66.8B2.8 '94 Lawler TL cornet w/ Sparx 2B Conn Vintage One flugel - GR66FD www.pitpops.com www.ucm-inc.com Rocky Mountain Trumpet Fest

09-22-2006, 01:28 PM	#17 (permalink)
R.A.S. Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Woodbury, Minnesota Posts: 125	Ari You asked the difference between Curry's 1 rim (.680) and his 5 rim (.660) - a huge difference! Here's how the rim diameter on your Yamaha 16E4 compares to Curry and Schilke: .675 Schilke 16, Yamaha 16E4 .680 Schilke 17, Curry 1tf .685 Schilke 18 .695 Schilke 19 .700 Schilke 20 .710 Schilke 22 .720 Schilke 24 The largest Schilkes with single numbers tend to have shallower cups "B/C" than the Bach "C" cups we're used to seeing. Probably your Yamaha or the Curry 1tf would get the sound you are looking for. Hope this helps! Last edited by R.A.S.; 09-22-2006 at 01:34 PM.

09-22-2006, 04:12 PM	#18 (permalink)
nieuwguyski Pianissimo User Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Santa Cruz, CA Posts: 194	Why the obsession with the width of the cup? If you're looking for a flugel-like sound, I'd recommend looking into any of the deep V-cup mouthpieces already suggested (Curry, Reeves, etc.) with a width and rim that are as similar to your Yamaha mouthpiece as possible. The depth of the new mouthpiece will help you produce the tone you're looking for -- a wider diameter will just throw another major change into your mouthpiece safari. And keep in mind, Chet Baker's mouthpiece was a Bach 6, either a C or B cup. Neither terribly wide nor extremely deep. __________________ John N. Nieuwguyski

09-21-2006, 04:33 PM	#13 (permalink)
Ari New Friend Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 34	ok, thanks for all the help. I´m thinking of buying a curry 1tf. I saw a 00TF, and wondered what that is? And what difference will a 5tf make compared to 1tf? Anybody know the specs compared to yamaha 16e4?

09-22-2006, 04:33 AM	#15 (permalink)
Ari New Friend Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 34	ok, I am just about to order when suddenly, I noticed the Schilke 24 with a 18+ rim diameter. What are your opinions on Curry 1HTF vs Schilke 24?

09-22-2006, 04:32 PM	#19 (permalink)
R.A.S. Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Woodbury, Minnesota Posts: 125	Oh yeah, I forgot! You could buy my old Giardinelli 1VM/1C screw-rim combination. Now, that (1VM) sounds like a flugel! Who knows what the rim size is on that one.

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