Mouthpiece - Page 3

Vulgano Brother · 08-07-2007, 03:12 PM

Speaking of sound, the original question has to do with getting the two "L" sounds--"lead" and "legit" using different mouthpieces. We've established that players play a huge role. Charlie Davis was mentioned as getting a great "lead" sound out of a "legit" mouthpiece, and I'll throw in Timofei Dokschitzer as one getting a great "legit" sound out of a "lead" mouthpiece (Bach 7E).

So said, the first Vulgano postulate: Sound is a function of style.

We deal with two distinct styles: Idiomatic and Idiosyncratic: idiomatic refering to the style of the music (down to the individual piece and individual group playing it) and idiosyncratic refering to personal style. This personal style is largely made up of our influences.

I like Bill Chase's lead style. I like Maynard and Jon Faddis and Snooky and Tony too, but it was Chase that I listened to over and over and over again. In so doing, I got my personal (default) lead style from Chase. Likewise, my default sound concept is from Gerald Webster, my idea of "pretty" from Larry Jess, Scott Mather and Gil Johnson, my ideal of orchestral phrasing from the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. (I also listened to a lot of Don Ellis and Herb Alpert, and these guys will pop up in my playing, usually in pieces they don't belong.) Do I really sound like any of my influences? No, not really. I sound like me, and the me I sound like comes from this unique "genetic mix."

I sound like me on a Schilke 6A4a, and although I loved Chase's sound on the same mouthpiece, my "me" sound is real ugly on that mouthpiece. Choosing mouthpieces, therefore, is a very personal thing. The best mouthpiece will fit us physically and mentally, and will bring out our trumpet's voice, and no one can tell in advance what that mouthpiece will be.

So, to answer BamaBoy's question: The 1C Megatone is considered a "big time" orchestral kind of mouthpiece. A shallower cupped mouthpiece will help facilitate your lead sound, and a deeper mouthpiece will tend to darken things up.

The real key though, is your sound concept. That is why we practice--to make the sound we hear in our heads out the bell and into reality. Teachers can be a huge help, but the true answers lie in our own imaginations.

Have fun!

BergeronWannabe · 08-07-2007, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vulgano Brother

The real key though, is your sound concept. That is why we practice--to make the sound we hear in our heads out the bell and into reality. Teachers can be a huge help, but the true answers lie in our own imaginations.

This is the best thing I've read! Absolutely perfect!
Sure, if I had 12 hours a day to practice, I bet I could do it on a 3c too. But I don't, so I use the right tool for the job. I'm still in school and still learning, but I knew Bach pieces weren't for me.
I have had very good luck with GR, email them and Brian can give you recommendations from their questionaire.

Siegtrmpt · 08-07-2007, 10:48 PM

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Originally Posted by brian moon

There are lots of people that don't like the sound that one gets on a Monette moutpiece. Now you have heard.

Mouthpieces, like trumpets, are more of a "garbage in, garbage out" deal. Lots of great players play Dave's mouthpieces. Mouthpieces usually just sit there until we make them do something.

brian moon · 08-08-2007, 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Siegtrmpt

Mouthpieces, like trumpets, are more of a "garbage in, garbage out" deal. Lots of great players play Dave's mouthpieces. Mouthpieces usually just sit there until we make them do something.

Some, like trumpets, make it easier to sound bad than others.

trumpetnick · 08-08-2007, 02:05 AM

I will just throw fw brands as this may be still helpful, though the player has a primary role...Here are some of the most popular....

http://accessories.conn-selmer.com/pdf/bachmouth.pdf
David G. Monette Corporation
Deniswick.com*:*Mouthpieces*:*Bb Trumpet
Mouthpieces
GR Mouthpieces
Warburton Music Products, trumpet mouthpieces, horn mouthpieces, trombone mouthpieces, tuba mouthpieces, cornet mouthpieces
Curry Precision Mouthpieces

As someone already said Welcome to Mouthpiece Express is a good internet store to get all kind of mouthpieces. Have a nice MP safari

It is good to have an experienced trumpet player with you when trying new mouthpieces. 4 ears is always beter than 2

B15M · 08-08-2007, 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by brian moon

Some, like trumpets, make it easier to sound bad than others.

Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?

brian moon · 08-08-2007, 09:24 AM

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Originally Posted by B15M

Why do you have such a chip on your shoulder?

Is your side of the discussion the only one allowed?

BergeronWannabe · 08-08-2007, 12:56 PM

Now, now...play nice boys! I've said it before, if there was ONE end all, be all mouthpiece or trumpet- every pro would be playing it. It just aint so...players have their preferences, so what! Whatever works for you doesn't mean another company is garbage. Which is better- Chevy or Ford? Who cares...

B15M · 08-08-2007, 04:47 PM

It's not weather it works for me or you. It's the way you post about how bad it is. It makes the discussion about you and your feelings and not the mouthpiece.

Usually people are polite even when they don't like the product. To say it makes one sound bad is just mean spirited.

Vulgano Brother · 08-09-2007, 12:07 AM

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Originally Posted by BergeronWannabe

Now, now...play nice boys! I've said it before, if there was ONE end all, be all mouthpiece or trumpet- every pro would be playing it. It just aint so...players have their preferences, so what! Whatever works for you doesn't mean another company is garbage. Which is better- Chevy or Ford? Who cares...

FORD!

No disagreement allowed here. If you disagree, you are wrong! Sorry!

08-07-2007, 03:12 PM	#21 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,232	Re: Mouthpiece Speaking of sound, the original question has to do with getting the two "L" sounds--"lead" and "legit" using different mouthpieces. We've established that players play a huge role. Charlie Davis was mentioned as getting a great "lead" sound out of a "legit" mouthpiece, and I'll throw in Timofei Dokschitzer as one getting a great "legit" sound out of a "lead" mouthpiece (Bach 7E). So said, the first Vulgano postulate: Sound is a function of style. We deal with two distinct styles: Idiomatic and Idiosyncratic: idiomatic refering to the style of the music (down to the individual piece and individual group playing it) and idiosyncratic refering to personal style. This personal style is largely made up of our influences. I like Bill Chase's lead style. I like Maynard and Jon Faddis and Snooky and Tony too, but it was Chase that I listened to over and over and over again. In so doing, I got my personal (default) lead style from Chase. Likewise, my default sound concept is from Gerald Webster, my idea of "pretty" from Larry Jess, Scott Mather and Gil Johnson, my ideal of orchestral phrasing from the Chicago Symphony Orchestra. (I also listened to a lot of Don Ellis and Herb Alpert, and these guys will pop up in my playing, usually in pieces they don't belong.) Do I really sound like any of my influences? No, not really. I sound like me, and the me I sound like comes from this unique "genetic mix." I sound like me on a Schilke 6A4a, and although I loved Chase's sound on the same mouthpiece, my "me" sound is real ugly on that mouthpiece. Choosing mouthpieces, therefore, is a very personal thing. The best mouthpiece will fit us physically and mentally, and will bring out our trumpet's voice, and no one can tell in advance what that mouthpiece will be. So, to answer BamaBoy's question: The 1C Megatone is considered a "big time" orchestral kind of mouthpiece. A shallower cupped mouthpiece will help facilitate your lead sound, and a deeper mouthpiece will tend to darken things up. The real key though, is your sound concept. That is why we practice--to make the sound we hear in our heads out the bell and into reality. Teachers can be a huge help, but the true answers lie in our own imaginations. Have fun! __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org Last edited by Vulgano Brother; 08-07-2007 at 10:17 PM. Reason: proper noun thingy

08-08-2007, 02:05 AM	#25 (permalink)
trumpetnick Mezzo Forte User Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Vidin, Bulgaria Posts: 966	Re: Mouthpiece I will just throw fw brands as this may be still helpful, though the player has a primary role...Here are some of the most popular.... http://accessories.conn-selmer.com/pdf/bachmouth.pdf David G. Monette Corporation Deniswick.com:Mouthpieces:Bb Trumpet Mouthpieces GR Mouthpieces Warburton Music Products, trumpet mouthpieces, horn mouthpieces, trombone mouthpieces, tuba mouthpieces, cornet mouthpieces Curry Precision Mouthpieces As someone already said Welcome to Mouthpiece Express is a good internet store to get all kind of mouthpieces. Have a nice MP safari It is good to have an experienced trumpet player with you when trying new mouthpieces. 4 ears is always beter than 2 __________________ Spada Bach B flat 72, leadpipe 2L/DWMM1.5C Spada Bach C 256, leadpipe 2LQ/DWMM1.5C 1956 Olds Ambassador Cornet Spada Custom Piccolo If you don't know where you are going, you 'll end up someplace else

08-08-2007, 12:56 PM	#28 (permalink)
BergeronWannabe Piano User Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 254	Re: Mouthpiece Now, now...play nice boys! I've said it before, if there was ONE end all, be all mouthpiece or trumpet- every pro would be playing it. It just aint so...players have their preferences, so what! Whatever works for you doesn't mean another company is garbage. Which is better- Chevy or Ford? Who cares...

08-08-2007, 04:47 PM	#29 (permalink)
B15M Forte User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Monroe Ct. Posts: 1,262	Re: Mouthpiece It's not weather it works for me or you. It's the way you post about how bad it is. It makes the discussion about you and your feelings and not the mouthpiece. Usually people are polite even when they don't like the product. To say it makes one sound bad is just mean spirited. __________________ http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm...ndid=238487314 http://webpages.charter.net/joespitzer/

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