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Old 07-19-2005, 09:26 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Yes, Claude's lips move as he goes from extreme low to extreme high. That is normal. Almost all players' lips visibly move as they change ranges. This does not mean there is more than one embouchure involved. The fact that there is no "break" in the sound production as Claude ascends or descends proves that there is no "double embouchure" type stuff going on. Having two different embouchures means that you've got to change setting for low range or high range and can't slur between the two ranges, and in Claude's case, that was certainly not the case.
...Let me tell you what I mean when I say I have two embouchures. I do not mean like the difference between Dizzy Gillespie and Louis Armstrong, or what you would have to do to change between a trombone and a trumpet. Not that type of change. At least, not quite. When I had trumpet lessons, my instructor told me that some trumpet players, in order to play up higher, roll their top lip down a little in order to get a little 'leverage', if you will. That is the kind of thing I am talking about (although it is a little bit more than just a little lip movement. Another thing that my instructor and various judges of my sound told me about endurance and playing in general is that in order to last/ play high, there must be adequate flesh between the MP and the lips. To play lower, I loosen up the lips and have them a little thin, but doing that high makes me absolutely die. When I go up, I put more flesh in the lips). I can do that fairly quickly, but not without refraining from resetting the mouthpiece. I'm trying to work that out. Remember what Gordon's lips looked like when he moved around his range? I cannot do that with my lips without resetting into those different extremes (if you can call them that).
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In his teachings and clinics, Claude always stressed that the lips need to be moist so they can move into the position that provides a free vibration in all registers.
Funny, a guy I knew with a relatively great range, in order to hit a good, solid high note, would dry off his mouthpiece. He wasn't exactly the pillar of virtue regarding trumpet playing, though. Just a thought.
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Something of note: that video you are referring to was recorded only a few months after Claude Gordon had coronary bypass surgery, and years after he had retired from full time professional playing. That's why you can see his hands trembling as he plays on that video file - this was the result of nerve damage done during the open heart surgery.
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You should a' heard him back in the day!!!

It is not wise to fixate on your lips, what they do, or how they move. As Herbert L. Clarke and Claude Gordon both said, the only purpose of the lips is to vibrate. In early editions of Claude's book "Systematic Approach to Daily Practice" there was an instruction to use a mirror sometimes when practicing. Claude had that taken out of the later editions of the book because he realized that using a mirror usually causes more harm than good because players are always fixating on how their embouchures look.
That was one of my problems with my endurance.
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If you want to develop your playing, read the information on the following webpages, then contact a Claude Gordon student such as Jeff Purtle, Matt Graves, or myself.

http://mattgraves.netfirms.com/john_mohan.htm

http://mattgraves.netfirms.com/claude_gordon.htm

http://mattgraves.netfirms.com/

http://claudegordonmusic.com/

http://www.trumpetguild.org/itgyouth...ass/Purtle.htm

http://www.purtle.com/jeff.html

When you go to Jeff Purtle's website (the last one), be sure to have the volume turned up on your computer and listen to the opening sound file all the way through. That'll give you an idea of the sound, power, technique and upper register that the Claude Gordon method gives to the dedicated player.

Best wishes,

John Mohan
Former 1st Trumpet for "Cats", "Phantom of the Opera", "West Side Story", "Evita", "Grease", Disney's "Hunchback of Notre Dame" etc.
Former Los Angeles Studio Musician
14 Year Student of Claude Gordon
Wow. You studied under Gordon for 14 years?? I better be nice to you. Be my friend!
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Old 09-08-2005, 01:44 PM   #22 (permalink)
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A good exercise for the transition between octaves is Schlossberg's #55. I remember 55sub5 kicking my chops in the butt for weeks before I was confident enough to attempt it during a lesson. I found it was more about keeping the column of air compressed than having anything to do with embouchre.

(But I only started playing again last week after a 16 year break so, please, no flames if I'm horribly wrong...he did ask for specific exercises)
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A good exercise for the transition between octaves is Schlossberg's #55. I remember 55sub5 kicking my chops in the butt for weeks before I was confident enough to attempt it during a lesson. I found it was more about keeping the column of air compressed than having anything to do with embouchre.

(But I only started playing again last week after a 16 year break so, please, no flames if I'm horribly wrong...he did ask for specific exercises)
This has been a few months ago, and the problem is kind of passed. I still use a slightly different embouchure (I try not to in practice, but in performance this is what I do) to hit the extremes of my register, say, doing some screaming above high C. But apart from that, with good, solid air and relying less on pressure, I can use one embouchure for (typically, usually more, sometimes less when getting higher in range) two good octaves, then a little adjustment is needed, though not as drastic as it needed to be.

Minimizing pressure (or at least attempts at it) have really, really helped in this area, as has building up pure embouchure strength and not just using the extra umph that MP pressure gives.

That's me. Still working.
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