Is their such thing as a solid gold mouthpiece? - Page 5

John P · 04-04-2007, 11:37 PM

How about a solid chocolate mouthpiece? For that dark, chocolatey sound. It'd be a pretty sweet piece.

oldlips48 · 04-06-2007, 06:31 PM

At the risk of being the nerdy science guy, this thread makes me wonder about the materials used in the horns/mouthpieces.

A solid gold mouthpiece? Expensive, and drop it once and your done. I wonder about the hardness of metals and the corresponding sound. Gold and silver are soft metals, probably absorb some sound waves and give a more mellow tone. Harder metals would probably give a brighter tones due to their ability to reflect more of the wavelengths/overtones.

I know some people plate mouthpieces gold due to allergic reactions, others for tone quality.

So, if I have a horn and mouthpiece made of high carbon steel would I have an extremely bright/loud horn for about 3 days before it rusts away?

stchasking · 04-06-2007, 06:55 PM

There is a mouth piece maker that is using 304 Austinitic Stainless steel for mouth pieces. That would work fine for a rust resistant mouth piece with a density near steel.

My earlier suggestion of using Berylium and depleted uranium pretty much covers the highest stiffness and the density options.

Stiffness ranking from soft to highest stiffness:
Solid Gold
Brass
Bronze
Aluminum 10E6 psi
Titanium 16E6 psi
Steel or Nickle 29E6 psi
Berylium 40E6 psi
Don't inhale or eat the Berylium. Some people think it is toxic.

GordonH · 04-07-2007, 04:33 AM

I used to play on an aluminium Jet Tone mouthpiece.
They were made for a while in the 80's and 90's. When it arrived in the post the box felt empty but the mouthpiece was just so light.
The metal was very soft but it hated up instantly.

The problem is that contact with aluminium is supposed to be a cause of alzheimers disease (thats one of the theories anyway) and its possible to be allergic to close contact with aluminium.

stchasking · 04-10-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by GordonH

The problem is that contact with aluminium is supposed to be a cause of alzheimers disease (thats one of the theories anyway) and its possible to be allergic to close contact with aluminium.

I don't think you need to worry about aluminum causing Alzhimers. There are plenty of people who work in alumimum processing that don't have Alzhimers. I think that myth was started by a pots and pans company to take aluminum off the market and move people toward more expensive cook ware. Martha Stewart took the bait. I don't think there were facts to back up the claim. I am not going to bother looking.

The best option is to have your mouthpiece duplicated in 304 stainless steel. Another nice alloy is inconel.

Principaltrumpet · 04-11-2007, 03:42 AM

In High school I was grounded for a month, so when my lips were tired from practicing I would work on a mouthpiece made from solid duct tape. When I finished it I had to coat it in a silicone so it wouldnt clopasethen carefully drill out the throat. It worked but you can imagine what it sounded like.

Also, I have a teacher that tells every student they HAVE to get an unplated mouthpiece replated. He says that lead makes up a majority of the material im mouthpieces and it can cause you to break out around the mouth and you could get lead poisoning. Anyone know how true this is? J/W
JR

screamingmorris · 04-11-2007, 08:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Solar Bell

Mastodon schmastodon....

OK, So it was a whooly mammoth!!! Well excuuuuuuse me!

Here is the link, on page two

http://www.trumpetmaster.com/vb/134/...d-30177-2.html (Big mouthpiece for a softer sound)

-cw-

I found the mammoth mouthpiece a couple of pages later, at
http://www.trumpetmaster.com/vb/134/...d-30177-4.html (Big mouthpiece for a softer sound)

stchasking · 04-11-2007, 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Principaltrumpet

He says that lead makes up a majority of the material im mouthpieces and it can cause you to break out around the mouth and you could get lead poisoning. Anyone know how true this is? J/W
JR

The traditional Brass and Bronze alloys do not contain lead. However, that doesn't mean they don't have it in special alloys. Lead improves machinability. I don't want to say there is no lead. Some body out there could try a lead test kit on a naked mouth piece and let us know. If lead is in it the percentage is probably less than a few percent.

c.nelson · 04-27-2007, 11:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Alex Yates

Hey there. I just wanted to clear up a little something. The ivory mouthpiece I have is carved from the tusk of a Woolly Mammoth that was dug up archaeological style in Siberia. The person who obtained this "tusk" makes mouthpieces from all kinds of material....woods, ebony, ivory, etc. He also makes guns out of precious metals. He is quite the eccentric and a wonderful man. The ivory is not illegal because it comes from an extinct animal and was dug up like a fossil. There was no poaching involved in obtaining the materials.

For what it is worth, I love playing mine. It serves its purposes (for instance, playing it on my E3L because it softens the tambre) and is very comfortable. There are a few players on this board that have one and use them for more than paperweights or conversational items. They are very nice mouthpieces.

And of course it is WAY cool knowing I am playing ivory from the ICE AGE.

Actualy the reason it is not illegal is because it is from siberia.
not because it is from an extinct animal or because it is fosslized.fossilized ivory in the united states is found only in alaska,and may only be sold by
native americans after it has been fashioned into some trinket or other article.sometimes all it takes is afew vague file marks to make it legit.
but those file marks must be made by a native american.
If you are caught leaving alaska with raw fossilized ivory you are indeed busted. If you are in alaska and you are white ,don't even pick it up off the ground.just leave it there until nanook agrees to carve a mouthpiece for you.

04-04-2007, 11:37 PM	#41 (permalink)
John P Piano User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Camp Hill, PA Posts: 320	Re: Is their such thing as a solid gold mouthpiece? How about a solid chocolate mouthpiece? For that dark, chocolatey sound. It'd be a pretty sweet piece. __________________ JP

04-06-2007, 06:31 PM	#42 (permalink)
oldlips48 Pianissimo User Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 139	Re: Is their such thing as a solid gold mouthpiece? At the risk of being the nerdy science guy, this thread makes me wonder about the materials used in the horns/mouthpieces. A solid gold mouthpiece? Expensive, and drop it once and your done. I wonder about the hardness of metals and the corresponding sound. Gold and silver are soft metals, probably absorb some sound waves and give a more mellow tone. Harder metals would probably give a brighter tones due to their ability to reflect more of the wavelengths/overtones. I know some people plate mouthpieces gold due to allergic reactions, others for tone quality. So, if I have a horn and mouthpiece made of high carbon steel would I have an extremely bright/loud horn for about 3 days before it rusts away?

04-06-2007, 06:55 PM	#43 (permalink)
stchasking Forte User Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 1,378	Re: Is their such thing as a solid gold mouthpiece? There is a mouth piece maker that is using 304 Austinitic Stainless steel for mouth pieces. That would work fine for a rust resistant mouth piece with a density near steel. My earlier suggestion of using Berylium and depleted uranium pretty much covers the highest stiffness and the density options. Stiffness ranking from soft to highest stiffness: Solid Gold Brass Bronze Aluminum 10E6 psi Titanium 16E6 psi Steel or Nickle 29E6 psi Berylium 40E6 psi Don't inhale or eat the Berylium. Some people think it is toxic. __________________ "I was performing professionally at age 17 and have never had a real job." Allen Vizzutti http://cdbaby.com/cd/mcking

04-07-2007, 04:33 AM	#44 (permalink)
GordonH Mezzo Piano User Join Date: May 2005 Location: Scotland Posts: 623	Re: Is their such thing as a solid gold mouthpiece? I used to play on an aluminium Jet Tone mouthpiece. They were made for a while in the 80's and 90's. When it arrived in the post the box felt empty but the mouthpiece was just so light. The metal was very soft but it hated up instantly. The problem is that contact with aluminium is supposed to be a cause of alzheimers disease (thats one of the theories anyway) and its possible to be allergic to close contact with aluminium. __________________ "O trumpeter, methinks I am myself the instrument thou playest, Thou melt'st my heart, my brain--thou movest, drawest, changest them at will;" (Walt Whitman)

04-11-2007, 03:42 AM	#46 (permalink)
Principaltrumpet Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: north texas Posts: 151	Re: Is their such thing as a solid gold mouthpiece? In High school I was grounded for a month, so when my lips were tired from practicing I would work on a mouthpiece made from solid duct tape. When I finished it I had to coat it in a silicone so it wouldnt clopasethen carefully drill out the throat. It worked but you can imagine what it sounded like. Also, I have a teacher that tells every student they HAVE to get an unplated mouthpiece replated. He says that lead makes up a majority of the material im mouthpieces and it can cause you to break out around the mouth and you could get lead poisoning. Anyone know how true this is? J/W JR __________________ Yamaha "Chicago" C Yamaha "New York" Bb Blessing Eb/D Yamaha 6810S Picc Bach 2C Joshua C. Ritchie http://www.joshuacritchie.com

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