romey1

out!

romey

gzent

Romey1,

Who said Dean was a terrorist? PLO apologist would be more accurate.

Larry Smithee

It’s an undeniable fact that gross mischaracterization is an art form that BOTH political parties are immensely talented in engaging in. It probably is best to leave that to the experts, while staying tuned to these professional liars (and again, they ALL are) with both eyes very wide open.
Larry

No BS

Dean sucks..you guys think Wesley Clark has any chance?

Mikey

I don't think General Clark can win it.

In my humble and meaningless opinion, the only Democrat who has a chance of beating Bush is Hillary, and she is not running.

The more Dean talks, the deeper he is digging himself in.

I am not saying I want Hillary in the White House (Ugh). Far from it. I am saying if she did run, she would grab the minority and feminist vote, which would be enough to swing it.

Are there any moderate Democrats left?

M.

gzent

Not likely.


Dean will win the Dem's primaries with Dick G. about 10 points back.

Bush will be re-elected with around 47%
Dean will get around 42%

I just laugh when these Dem. candidates try to paint Bush as spoiled rich kid who 'dodged' the draft. Aren't all the top Dem. candidates from wealthy families and none of them have been in the military?

And Dean crowing about special interests and the high cost of health care - what a laugh! He's made millions as an MD, thanks to the expert job rationing of the AMA!! If that isn't prvilieged economics what the HE&* is it?

Anonymous

Millions as an MD?

Just think some of romey1's Physicals went into those millions!

Larry Smithee

That could be true about Dean I don't know. But that's also true about senate member Bill Frist (Tennessee) and also a doctor and who is the leading Rebulican behind the resent Health Care package that was just passed and that is so generous to health care providers and drug companies. Again, this crap works both ways.

Clearly these single sentence snips at politicians can be fun but ultimately not very useful. God forbid if we allowed the board to be polluted with facts. It seems to me, but apparently not to all, that the dividing line between liberals and conservatives is very ambiguous and unclear. For example, the current conservative administration has greatly increased the size and expense of the federal government under the Homeland Security Act, The record budget deficit also give the lie to “conservative” fiscal management. The Bush administration has also increased the power of government over its citizens under the Patriot Act, which limits or eliminates many of our protections under the Bill of Rights. Liberals are not the only ones who have supported big government programs and restrictive regulations.

The first conservative President Bush raised taxes, and the current conservative Bush is supporting the authorization of interstate toll roads (a tax) and taxes on online Internet sales, both are serious tax levees. The point being is that liberals are not the only politicians to raise taxes. Conversely, liberals have proposed legislation to raise the wage earner and dependent income tax exemption on more than one occasion, so conservatives are not the only ones to support lowering taxes. Liberals also sometimes reduce the scope of big government as well. President Clinton cut back on the federal Aid to Dependent Children welfare programs, while Vice President Gore led a task for which reduced the number of federal employees by tens of thousands of people. On the other hand, conservative President Bush has proposed doubling the size of the Peace Corps, a liberal Kennedy program.

The facts show that both liberals and conservative raise (or lower) taxes, both conservative and liberals sometimes increase (or reduce) the size of government, and both some liberals and some conservatives display courage in the face of adversity. Some even display personal physical bravery in the manner of Senators Kerry and McCain.

It just seems to make more sense to look at government policies, proposals, performance, and issues rather than the political labels and one sentence snips. A well-known poster on another trumpet board that most of us are familiar with often holds the radio talk host Rush Limbaugh in high esteem for his conservative views and “good sense” insights. I frankly don’t see Limbaugh as either a great conservative or a great American, since he not only dodged the draft during the Vietnam War (due to having a pimple on his @ss), was recently fired from ESPN for racist remarks, and underwent treatment for drug use problems. Ordinarily, I would have some sympathy for Limbaugh and his drug problems, but he has been hypocritical in criticizing opponents of the war and in recommending that drug addicts be locked up. I can tolerate a draft dodger, and I can feel sorry for a drug addict, but I cannot tolerate a hypocrite who wants everybody else to go to war, and drug laws that apply to everybody but him.
Larry

gzent

OK, since you are so big on facts, lets have them. This is just a perception put forth by the media and the Dems. Where is the proof for these claims?

Do you have a reference for this somewhere as well?
Conservatives, by definition want smaller, limited government and lower taxes. President Bush is conservative on many issues, but overall he is moderate in my book. As for Clinton/Gore 'smaller' govt. the drastic cuts were made in defense spending, (the top priority of our gov.) while socialist spending kept growing.

In the conservative opinion the US federal government has grown ridiculously large and taken on so many projects that it has no right being involved in. The federal govt. should ONLY be involved with issues of national security, NOT education, NOT healthcare, NOT liberal arts, NOT civilian disability, NOT minimum wage, NOT civilian retirement...

When the federal govt. got into these areas it started raising taxes, unconstitutionally. The IRS became powerful. All forms of lobbying appeared to get their own pet programs and tax exemptions. We don't need better "policies, proposals, performance" in Washington, DC. We need the fed. govt. to do its constitutional job and nothing more.

Greg

No BS

No child left behind? The Patriot act? Rights for Illegal Aliens? This is "small government"? There seems to be a shrinking difference between the political parties!