I'm not mad at Bush for invading, but the poor planning - Page 4

Dr G · 04-28-2004, 04:46 PM

I really was going to stay out of this one for a number of reasons. But as I spent about a year in the middle east [Bahrain, Karachi, Abadan, Kuwait, etc.] some time ago, I became interested in their culture [especially the bedouin arab [3 groups - fallahin=farmers, beledin=city folks, and bedouin=desert merchants - very different sorts of folks - just like here], religion, politics, etc.

The thought that they can agree [or even be forced to agree] on any subject is hilarious. They represent, although in the current state of affairs much reduced, an incredible people who have brought to the world a number of things we sometimes overlook. For a "short" list of English words that are Arabic in origin, try

http://www.zompist.com/arabic.html

While you are at it, consider the ideas behind those words and the difficulty in originating them.

It is a tragic commentary on current society that we are currently engaged in war in Iraq BUT at this point [regardless of any opinion I or anyone else might have] a little less petty whining about the press, politics, whatever--- might be more helpful than not.

If you are distressed with life in the United States, Canada, etc. where your life is pretty much removed from the risk of immediate death; where you can gripe about almost anything [however irrelevant it may be], and where you can generally sleep soundly at night --- get real, take a trip to Iraq.

At least one of our brother members is doing just that at the expense of the government. One of the interesting things about the military is that they have not only "plan A", but "plan B" and so on, ad infinitum. [It is a part of being military]

Maybe, when it is all over we can place blame, etc., but in the meantime we all might do well to think before we shoot off our mouths.

jamesfrmphilly · 04-28-2004, 05:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castle Bravo

The reason this is a difficult mission is that we are a civilized people fighting barbarians

maybe you might want to reconsider this.....?

jamesfrmphilly · 04-28-2004, 05:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Clarino

The media will always show footage of the latest explosion but rarely show all the good will the locals show to the soldiers.

so you believe that Bill O'Reilly and Fox news are trying to conceal positive stories out of Iraq?

ScreaminRaider · 04-28-2004, 05:24 PM

Ok, now we're going around in circles....don't waste the time....just go back and read old posts. The media only wants to show the bad things, because that's what sells. Can you come up with something new? or, are we gonna keep going around in circles? If so, we need to take this to the steel cage and put it to rest.

Castle Bravo · 04-29-2004, 11:02 AM

James, why the hell would i want to reconsider? I dont give a flying f*ck if that is hard to swallow for you or if its politically incorrect, I'M IN IRAQ, YOU'RE NOT, and its the freakin TRUTH, thats why I said it. I can see the news unfold in front of me, you are in another reality. Tell ME something about Iraq, please, anything at all.......

Mikey · 04-29-2004, 11:18 AM

God Bless you Gary, and stay safe.

I have had it with these Bleeding-Hearts who think they know everything.

But, if they want a flame war, I will give them one.

James, please don't f*ck with a soldier

Mike

orchtrpt · 04-29-2004, 11:31 AM

Gary,

James telling you about what is going down in Iraq would be like you bitching and moaning about the North Philly Ghetto. 8)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castle Bravo

James, why the hell would i want to reconsider? I dont give a flying f*ck if that is hard to swallow for you or if its politically incorrect, I'M IN IRAQ, YOU'RE NOT, and its the freakin TRUTH, thats why I said it. I can see the news unfold in front of me, you are in another reality. Tell ME something about Iraq, please, anything at all.......

8)

Mikey · 04-29-2004, 11:42 AM

Did you all catch the story of the 3 sisters in the Wisconsin National Guard? Well, they were all on duty in the sandpits. They joined the Guard to have money to pay for college. As we all know, the Guard is not the "cushy weekend warrior" job that a lot of fat-assed bleeding hearts think. One of the sisters was killed in an ambush. After the 2 surviving sistors brought their fallen sister's body home to Wisconsin, the head of the Wisconsin Guard told the other 2 that they could be reassigned, and would not have to go back to Iraq.

All you bleeding-hearts, I urge you to call the parents of these sisters and tell them what you are spouting off on this board.

The point is, we have a constitutional right to disagree with the President and his actions. If we get mad enough, we can vote him out of office. But dammit, lay off the soldiers who are over there!

Sorry for the language, but I am P*ssed.

God Bless America

Mike

Liad Bar-EL · 04-29-2004, 11:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castle Bravo

Back to the original topic......
This is a difficult mission. Poor planning is a buzz phrase generated by the media. The reason this is a difficult mission is that we are a civilized people fighting barbarians, and overwhelming them as we should (militarily speaking) will do more harm than good in the long run (women, children, etc...)What you don't see on TV is the vast public support we have here, its no secret that bad stuff makes the news, especially when there's a lot of it..... I have heart warming stories that I can't share with you in detail quite yet due to OPSEC but the people at fault here (at least the ones currently MOST at fault) are 10,000 or so members of mr nutball's militia and Al Jazera TV. There wasnt a plan in the world that could have given the american people the bloodless video game war that the media wanted, and I bow to our president for doing what needed to be done. I hate being away from my wife, but that's my job. SOLDIERS FIGHT WARS. A soldier with 20 years of garrison experience is useless, if I'm unhappy about being over here shame on me for re-enlisting 3 times. I raised my right hand as we all did over here, no body put a gun to our heads, and talking smack about my commander in chief will do nothing productive, especially by people who are so many thousands of miles removed from reality. The military is here to fight and win wars, defend the homeland, and the interests of the US. The president acted on the money, and he has my vote.
I realize the original remark was light hearted in nature, but this is a serious subject. No personal attacks intended, but if the shoe fits.....

After loosing relatives in a bus bombing a few months ago, in my grief I decided not to post on any trumpet forums and have let others use my computer instead. After reading that you are in Iraq, I decided to break my state of mourning and share this with you.

This is a holy war ... not one of revenge for 9/11. This is no planning involve in such wars as everyone seems to expect or want.

The best thing that I can say to you at this time, Gary, is to keep your eyes and your heart up above. With this effort you will be much more encouraged in your duties. If everyone here would do the same, they would not pity your position but rather envy it.

May G-d be with you, guide you and your new wife, protect you in all your ways and grant you success, happiness, health, prosperity and peace.

Liad Bar-EL

jamesfrmphilly · 04-29-2004, 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Castle Bravo

James, why the hell would i want to reconsider? I don't give a flying f*ck if that is hard to swallow for you or if its politically incorrect, I'M IN IRAQ, YOU'RE NOT, and its the freakin TRUTH, thats why I said it. I can see the news unfold in front of me, you are in another reality. Tell ME something about Iraq, please, anything at all.......

i believe when you discount another's humanity the greatest damage occurs to your own soul.
there fore i was a little concerned with the harm you may do to yourself.

04-28-2004, 05:24 PM	#34 (permalink)
ScreaminRaider Piano User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: San Antonio, Tx Posts: 407	Ok, now we're going around in circles....don't waste the time....just go back and read old posts. The media only wants to show the bad things, because that's what sells. Can you come up with something new? or, are we gonna keep going around in circles? If so, we need to take this to the steel cage and put it to rest. __________________ Jonathan Wright

04-29-2004, 11:02 AM	#35 (permalink)
Castle Bravo Piano User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Uijongbu, Korea Posts: 279	James, why the hell would i want to reconsider? I dont give a flying f*ck if that is hard to swallow for you or if its politically incorrect, I'M IN IRAQ, YOU'RE NOT, and its the freakin TRUTH, thats why I said it. I can see the news unfold in front of me, you are in another reality. Tell ME something about Iraq, please, anything at all....... __________________ Gary Wilder

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04-28-2004, 04:46 PM	#31 (permalink)
Dr G Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 147	I really was going to stay out of this one for a number of reasons. But as I spent about a year in the middle east [Bahrain, Karachi, Abadan, Kuwait, etc.] some time ago, I became interested in their culture [especially the bedouin arab [3 groups - fallahin=farmers, beledin=city folks, and bedouin=desert merchants - very different sorts of folks - just like here], religion, politics, etc. The thought that they can agree [or even be forced to agree] on any subject is hilarious. They represent, although in the current state of affairs much reduced, an incredible people who have brought to the world a number of things we sometimes overlook. For a "short" list of English words that are Arabic in origin, try http://www.zompist.com/arabic.html While you are at it, consider the ideas behind those words and the difficulty in originating them. It is a tragic commentary on current society that we are currently engaged in war in Iraq BUT at this point [regardless of any opinion I or anyone else might have] a little less petty whining about the press, politics, whatever--- might be more helpful than not. If you are distressed with life in the United States, Canada, etc. where your life is pretty much removed from the risk of immediate death; where you can gripe about almost anything [however irrelevant it may be], and where you can generally sleep soundly at night --- get real, take a trip to Iraq. At least one of our brother members is doing just that at the expense of the government. One of the interesting things about the military is that they have not only "plan A", but "plan B" and so on, ad infinitum. [It is a part of being military] Maybe, when it is all over we can place blame, etc., but in the meantime we all might do well to think before we shoot off our mouths.

04-29-2004, 11:18 AM	#36 (permalink)
Mikey Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,864	God Bless you Gary, and stay safe. I have had it with these Bleeding-Hearts who think they know everything. But, if they want a flame war, I will give them one. James, please don't f*ck with a soldier Mike

04-29-2004, 11:42 AM	#38 (permalink)
Mikey Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 1,864	Did you all catch the story of the 3 sisters in the Wisconsin National Guard? Well, they were all on duty in the sandpits. They joined the Guard to have money to pay for college. As we all know, the Guard is not the "cushy weekend warrior" job that a lot of fat-assed bleeding hearts think. One of the sisters was killed in an ambush. After the 2 surviving sistors brought their fallen sister's body home to Wisconsin, the head of the Wisconsin Guard told the other 2 that they could be reassigned, and would not have to go back to Iraq. All you bleeding-hearts, I urge you to call the parents of these sisters and tell them what you are spouting off on this board. The point is, we have a constitutional right to disagree with the President and his actions. If we get mad enough, we can vote him out of office. But dammit, lay off the soldiers who are over there! Sorry for the language, but I am P*ssed. God Bless America Mike

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