Dave

I'd like to see OSU v. Florida. We've seen OSU v. UM already.

Plus I'd love to watch USC v. UM in the Rose Bowl!

Solar Bell

So Ohio gets to KILL Florida. Crown Ohio now, it won't be close.

Do they want the best two teams or to play politics?

So Florida won it's division....so what?

Let's talk about undefeated Boise State, a conference champion.

Is Florida as a conference champion better better than Michigan?

Don't bet on it.

The best game will be the Rose Bowl, Southern Cal vs Michigan.

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Solar Bell

So let's have playoff like college basketball....
Like where conference runner up Duke might beat conference champion North Carolina.....

Or in 1988 where Kansas beat Oklahoma..where they were both in the same conference.

Oklahoma was the Big 8 conference champion and Kansas, from the same conference, beat Oklahoma for the National Championship. According to Joey, that doesn't make sense.

The whole thing is a joke.

Great story in ESPN http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/colum...ene&id=2685195

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Thevor

Solar Bell, Ohio might not have as easy a rollover as you expect. Ohio & Michigan played relatively easy schedules in their conferance while Florida played 8 ranked teams through the season. I'd still like to have seen Ohio vs Boise State but that is merely prejudice since Boise is in my back yard.

I think USC has been WAY over rated this year and was never deserving of the #2 spot. I've always been a Michigan fan but dang it's going to be hard to choose between the Pac-10 team and Michigan. The Rose Bowl will always be the grand-daddy of em all and so far most of the BCS bowls have been a farce.

GO Ohio!!! Florida teams are too arrogant for my blood.

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joey

Chuck,

Make sure you read the whole sentence that you quoted. I said:

"If you are not your conference's champ, then without a playoff, you can't be national champ."

Then you go and use College Basketball and say:

"Oklahoma was the Big 8 conference champion and Kansas, from the same conference, beat Oklahoma for the National Championship. According to Joey, that doesn't make sense."

College Basketball HAS A PLAYOFF.

My point is that WITHOUT A PLAYOFF it doesn't make sense, and that's what I said.

Clearly the BCS doesn't work. The only time it works is in situations like last year's, where there are only 2 undefeated teams left. Wow, like we really need a complicated system to figure out what to do then.

This is why I try and stay out of online arguments. Someone will take what I wrote, quote it, then still miss the point.

Clearly, if there were a reasonable playoff system in Division I college football, Michigan would gain a berth. Then, if Michigan and Ohio St. ended up playing each other for the National Championship, I doubt anyone would have a problem with it. I certainly wouldn't.

Joey

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Solar Bell

I agree, I did not read your post well enough.

A thousand pardons!

It sure stinks though!

Here is a link to Mitch Albums and his view of this.
http://www.freep.com/apps/pbcs.dll/a...612040363/1082

See how all the coaches voted.
http://www.usatoday.com/sports/graph...2006/flash.htm

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Thevor

Solar Bell, the article written by Mitch Albums is correct that Michigan is probably the "best" other team in the rankings but I think his conclusion is flawed because of his emotional attachment to Michigan (he does write for a Detroit new paper). The two "best" record teams in the country are Ohio and Boise State. Mitch should be complaining that Boise got "jobbed" not Michigan.

The system is set up to advance the conference champions NOT necessarily the teams that are playing the best. Baseball has a great playoff system and it used to be the league champions went to the playoffs. Now they have added "wild card" teams. While I enjoy wild card teams in the playoffs, typically the wild card team ends up being the hottest team, not necessarily the "best" team that took the division. In other words, playoffs are not always the "best" team from the season winning, just the team that happened to be hot at the moment. I think the "wild card" deludes the playoff scheme and in this case Michigan would be a wild card because they aren't conference champions. The ranking system is seriously flawed.... period!
Michigan had it's shot at being a division champion and lost. They might be better than a lot of other teams but the system ultimately has to leave someone deserving out, it's just the nature of the beast. Division champions get a crack at the title.

I do like the idea of playoffs for the simple reason that the underdog teams would have a chance. The NCAA Basketball championship tourney is a classic example of those unknown teams becoming the Cinderella team that takes it all. In the case of football, Boise State would have a chance to prove itself. I also like the idea of college football playoffs because it would extend the season a couple more weeks and we wouldn't have to endure non-sports like basketball (said tongue-in-cheek guys).

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rjzeller

Well...now that it's all decided, my two cents:

I'm really kinda ambivalent as to who tOSU plays. While I think Michigan is the best team out there, there are simlpy too many other factors to consider. Ohio State would have to go 2-0 against them while they only have to go 1-1 is the biggest problem, but as far as I'm concerned, if the Buckeyes are truly the best team in the nation, then beating Michigan twice shouldn't be an issue.

I think it prudent, however, before we diss Florida that we remember the 2003 Fiesta Bowl. At the end of the 2002 season, there were only two undefeated teams, and as far as EVERYONE was concerned, Miami was the clear number 1 and everyone expected them to just flat-out destroy Ohio State. Well....guess who won that game....

Likewise, I don't want to count my chickens before they're hatched. Florida beat some fantastic teams and had a remarkably difficult schedule. USC, whether you felt they were overrated or not, is still one heck of a team (they did absolutely destroy Arkansas and ND). Louisville was a tough team. Wisconsin. LSU--clearly one of the strongest teams in the country despite their record. And then there's Bosie State...the only OTHER UNDEFEATED team in the country.

There's simply no way to tell who's better or more deserving of a shot. That's why they play the game. Remember: Illinois almost beat tOSU, Ball State almost got to Michigan, and Florida nearly got knocked off by South Carolina. USC got beat by unranked UCLA.

We need a playoff--not because it will gurantee the best overall team wins, but because it guarantees the opportunity to settle these things is offered in the only way it can be: not by votes at a desk, but by players on the field. That is how it happens in every other sport, in every other arena, in every other industry -- even in war.

Sometimes the bigger, mightier army falls. Sometimes the better business loses. Sometimes a Pittsburg beats an Indianapolis. Sometimes "the Giants win the Pennant." It's not about giving the trophy to who's best. If that were the case, then just give my Buckeyes the trophy now, because no matter how you measure it, they're the best. But will they beat Florida? I can't say. We play the game because that's how it's supposed to be. That's at the root of everything in our culture from entertainment to sports to defense. We don't take an inventory of our assets and abilities and then declare a victor. We EARN our victories, irrespective to our potential or expectations.

If someone should happen to come up with a game-plan, battle-plan, or marketing-plan of a life-time and manage, in one brief instant, to rise above themselves to obtain remarkable glory against extreem odds, that is not a bad thing. It is a good thing. It is the stuff of dreams and great stories.

We earn our victories. That is how it has been, that is how it should be.

So bring on Florida, and let the games begin. I'm hoping the pundits (and especially chuck) are right. But Florida earned thier spot, and I sure hope Tressel and team take them every bit as serious as Michigan.

Playoffs exist in every other sport for a reason, and they belong here, too. Let the best team win...but let them earn it, nevertheless....

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