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Eclipsehornplayer · 10-12-2006, 08:35 AM

Wow Glenn.....

I'm speechless!

I had to read your post several times just to understand it!

Eclipsehornplayer · 10-12-2006, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by bas

As an employer I want what I paid for; your talent not what's on your mind!

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Originally Posted by bas

I do not agree with this statement. If I buy a ticket to an artist's show, I am buying the right to be in the artist's domain, not buying the right to be their employer. I feel that an artist has the right to express themselves in any way that they choose and it we don't care for their means of expression, we can leave and no longer support them monetarily. Art has always been a means to express feelings and beliefs, both politically and spiritually.

I respect your point of view however I don't agree with it! I can see how you arrive at your point but as I stated in my earlier post my point of view runs counter to yours.

So... I'll agree to disagree and remember what you said, "if we don't care for their means of expression, we can leave and no longer support them monetarily." This is true and you can bet your bottom dollar I would!

Eclipsehornplayer · 10-12-2006, 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by gzent

John-That's a good way of looking at it. Everyone has a right to free speech. But you do not have the right to say whatever you like when you are on the job without negative consequences.

Thanks!

Maybe I have too simple of a mind; maybe I just don't understand artistic expression. It seems simple to me and that's how I explained it.

Obviously some don't agree with me and that's OK!

It is what it is to those who made it what it was!

Babs really isn't my cup of tea either I just thought it was funny that she told someone in the audience to shut the F*** Up!

Somehow or another that behavior doesn't seem out of place for her and that was really the whole point I was driving at in this post.

bas · 10-12-2006, 11:31 AM

[quote=Kinghornplayer;272756]Thanks!

Maybe I have too simple of a mind; maybe I just don't understand artistic expression. It seems simple to me and that's how I explained it.

King.....I do not think either of these things are the case at all. I am just stating my idealistic point of view and I thank you for respecting it as I do yours.

Although I am certainly not a big fan of "da' Babs", I do feel that she, and the Dixie Chicks for that matter, have their right to express themselves in any way they choose. The drawback is that their profits from performances may take a hit because of it, but to some, this is worth having that freedom....FWIW

Eclipsehornplayer · 10-12-2006, 12:36 PM

And in kind thanks! It's a better place when we can respect each other's points of view without turning it into a nasty free for all.

I understood where you were coming from. I just feel differently is all.

In the end I think that you summed it up best. The artist has to decide if their personal actions/points of view are worth risking a loss of income. Only they can make that call.

VINTAGEBRASS · 10-12-2006, 01:34 PM

Does this then mean the person offended is refunded their money for a show that offended them to the point of leaving?

VINTAGEBRASS · 10-12-2006, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by bas

As an employer I want what I paid for; your talent not what's on your mind!

I do not agree with this statement. If I buy a ticket to an artist's show, I am buying the right to be in the artist's domain, not buying the right to be their employer. I feel that an artist has the right to express themselves in any way that they choose and it we don't care for their means of expression, we can leave and no longer support theiticallm monetarily. Art has always been a means to express feelings and beliefs, both poly and spiritually.[/quote]

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Originally Posted by VINTAGEBRASS

Does this then mean the person offended is refunded their money for a show that offended them to the point of leaving?

tpter1 · 10-12-2006, 02:11 PM

"Sorry sir, tickets are non-refundable".

Same with software once you open it.

bas · 10-12-2006, 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by tpter1

"Sorry sir, tickets are non-refundable".

Same with software once you open it.

What he said..... :>)

trpt2345 · 10-13-2006, 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by gzent

I don't like Miles' playing because I find it contrived and boring. I don't know the first thing about his personal life.

Contrived and boring? What universe are you coming from? Is it a Minnesota thing?

Michael McLaughlin

Is life not a thousand times too short for us to bore ourselves?
Friedrich Nietzsche

10-12-2006, 08:35 AM	#21 (permalink)
Eclipsehornplayer Forte User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 2,395	Wow Glenn..... I'm speechless! I had to read your post several times just to understand it! __________________ Eclipse MHY Bb Trumpet with interchangable leadpipes Bach 229 25A C Trumpet Getzen Capri Bb Cornet GR & Monette mouthpieces

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Eclipsehornplayer Forte User Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Flat Rock, Michigan Posts: 2,395	And in kind thanks! It's a better place when we can respect each other's points of view without turning it into a nasty free for all. I understood where you were coming from. I just feel differently is all. In the end I think that you summed it up best. The artist has to decide if their personal actions/points of view are worth risking a loss of income. Only they can make that call. __________________ Eclipse MHY Bb Trumpet with interchangable leadpipes Bach 229 25A C Trumpet Getzen Capri Bb Cornet GR & Monette mouthpieces

10-12-2006, 02:11 PM	#28 (permalink)
tpter1 Forte User Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Northern New York Posts: 2,309	"Sorry sir, tickets are non-refundable". Same with software once you open it. __________________ -Glenn "Roses have thorns; shining waters mud. Clouds and eclipses stain the moon and the sun; and history reeks of the wrongs we have done. After today, after today, consider me gone."- Sting

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10-12-2006, 11:31 AM	#24 (permalink)
bas Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Iowa City, IA/Corfu, GR Posts: 81	[quote=Kinghornplayer;272756]Thanks! Maybe I have too simple of a mind; maybe I just don't understand artistic expression. It seems simple to me and that's how I explained it. King.....I do not think either of these things are the case at all. I am just stating my idealistic point of view and I thank you for respecting it as I do yours. Although I am certainly not a big fan of "da' Babs", I do feel that she, and the Dixie Chicks for that matter, have their right to express themselves in any way they choose. The drawback is that their profits from performances may take a hit because of it, but to some, this is worth having that freedom....FWIW

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VINTAGEBRASS Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Branson Posts: 104	Does this then mean the person offended is refunded their money for a show that offended them to the point of leaving?

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