4 Valve Bb Horn? - Page 2

Schwab · 03-12-2008, 06:26 PM

Thats a good clip, Lew sounds great. I'd love to see someone call up Schilke and get another one of these. If you get it in M bore, it would be the same valve section as the E3L-4 or pic, just with longer slides. C'mon, someone do it!

BlackWhite · 03-12-2008, 11:12 PM

Well,i think i will go with Joe's,i dont wanna lose an arm or leg or anything other than cash...

but is it really worth it? other than intonation,range and alternate fingerings, what else are the benefits of a 4-valve instrument compared to its respective 3-valve couterpart?

nieuwguyski · 03-13-2008, 02:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackWhite

other than intonation,range and alternate fingerings, what else are the benefits of a 4-valve instrument compared to its respective 3-valve couterpart?

The 4-valver would be significantly heavier and would make a better weapon, if a fight broke out in the club you were playing in and you needed to clear a path to the door.

BlackWhite · 03-13-2008, 03:09 AM

Ah,I see....but how much heavier could it be?

I couldn't feel the difference between a 3-valve and 4-valve euphonium,how could i feel it on a trumpet??

bagmangood · 03-13-2008, 10:19 AM

Trumpets are a lot lighter to begin with, and the percent of the total weight is probably a lot higher.

Adam Smith · 03-13-2008, 11:04 AM

it's still lighter than my harrelson. I think I would win in a barfight.

BrassOnLine · 03-13-2008, 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BlackWhite

I have heard some rumours about 4 valve Bb horns for sale to the public.
Im not sure about this,so does anyone have toughts on this?
And yes,Im not talking about quatertone trumpets....just normal Bb horn with 4 valves....

Long time ago I've seen one b flat (and a C) in England.
Basically, it was a standard b flat with a rotary extension on third slide. 1/2 tone.
I don't know if it is helpful on b flats, but it could be interesting for C trumpets... Remember Carmen prelude ???
BEST REGARDS !!!

BlackWhite · 03-14-2008, 09:32 AM

well,thanks...and if anyonel has information...please do tell me..

Harrelson Trumpets · 06-20-2008, 01:01 AM

I offer a 4-valve Bb as a custom Bauerfeind valveset option. The 4th valve will add your choice of a 2nd, 3rd or 4th below pitch. I have two demo Bravura trumpets coming available next week with the 4th valve option.

Jason

Vulgano Brother · 06-20-2008, 10:50 AM

With moveable 1st and third slides, the fourth valve doesn't add anything to the intonation except lower the instrument a forth. That is the fun part. The downside is that usually three valve instruments (ok, my experiences have been of piccolos and Eb's) have better response.

Sounds like a fun thing to try, though!

03-12-2008, 06:26 PM	#11 (permalink)
Schwab Moderator Forte User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: the road Posts: 1,000	Re: 4 Valve Bb Horn? Thats a good clip, Lew sounds great. I'd love to see someone call up Schilke and get another one of these. If you get it in M bore, it would be the same valve section as the E3L-4 or pic, just with longer slides. C'mon, someone do it! __________________ Dylan Schwab Stage 1 New York

03-12-2008, 11:12 PM	#12 (permalink)
BlackWhite Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 82	Re: 4 Valve Bb Horn? Well,i think i will go with Joe's,i dont wanna lose an arm or leg or anything other than cash... but is it really worth it? other than intonation,range and alternate fingerings, what else are the benefits of a 4-valve instrument compared to its respective 3-valve couterpart?

03-13-2008, 03:09 AM	#14 (permalink)
BlackWhite Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 82	Re: 4 Valve Bb Horn? Ah,I see....but how much heavier could it be? I couldn't feel the difference between a 3-valve and 4-valve euphonium,how could i feel it on a trumpet??

03-13-2008, 10:19 AM	#15 (permalink)
bagmangood Piano User Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Bostonish Posts: 341	Re: 4 Valve Bb Horn? Trumpets are a lot lighter to begin with, and the percent of the total weight is probably a lot higher. __________________ Bach 180S-37 Bach C180-239 w/ Akwright tuning bell conversion Monette B2S3&C2S3, Bach 7DW

03-13-2008, 11:04 AM	#16 (permalink)
Adam Smith Pianissimo User Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: MTSU Posts: 190	Re: 4 Valve Bb Horn? it's still lighter than my harrelson. I think I would win in a barfight.

03-14-2008, 09:32 AM	#18 (permalink)
BlackWhite Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Singapore Posts: 82	Re: 4 Valve Bb Horn? well,thanks...and if anyonel has information...please do tell me..

06-20-2008, 01:01 AM	#19 (permalink)
Harrelson Trumpets New Friend Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: USA Posts: 3	Re: 4 Valve Bb Horn? I offer a 4-valve Bb as a custom Bauerfeind valveset option. The 4th valve will add your choice of a 2nd, 3rd or 4th below pitch. I have two demo Bravura trumpets coming available next week with the 4th valve option. Jason

06-20-2008, 10:50 AM	#20 (permalink)
Vulgano Brother Moderator Fortissimo User Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Home Posts: 3,232	Re: 4 Valve Bb Horn? With moveable 1st and third slides, the fourth valve doesn't add anything to the intonation except lower the instrument a forth. That is the fun part. The downside is that usually three valve instruments (ok, my experiences have been of piccolos and Eb's) have better response. Sounds like a fun thing to try, though! __________________ "A tool good enough to be so used and not too good" C.S. Lewis That Hideous Strength www.letsbuildhope.org

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