After getting a Bb... Then what? - Page 2

rowuk · 03-08-2008, 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by B15M

I would make my second horn a Picc. It will let you play a lot more music and help with jobs. I never play my flugel even in jazz band. Anything I play on the C trumpet can be done on B-flat.

I know a lot of jazz guys that play weddings on picc.

P.S.

This should be post number 1,000 for me.
This is like getting married again, this is the second time I hit 1,000

Good recommendation. There is money to be earned with a picc!

1000 wives, now that must be one demographical cross section of what is available in America...................

flugelgirl · 03-08-2008, 08:57 AM

Picc is sure a beast if you haven't had any proper lessons, though! I wouldn't recommend picc until you're able to study it with someone. I improved on picc very quickly with the right teacher, but didn't get too far by myself, even though I had taken years of lessons by then. All my lessons were jazz, and I had no concept of what to do with a picc till I studied. It's a lot easier to get a start on flugel or C if you are a less experienced player.

65Strad · 03-18-2008, 04:52 AM

Rowuk,

You and many mention that a picc can make money. I assume you are referring to wedding work, or something else? Obviously playing it well is a pre requisite, but how do you mean specifically vs. how it can enhance financially vs. just playing the Bb and C?

Perhaps an unsophisticated question, but I value your opinion and point of view.

rowuk · 03-18-2008, 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by 65Strad

Rowuk,

You and many mention that a picc can make money. I assume you are referring to wedding work, or something else? Obviously playing it well is a pre requisite, but how do you mean specifically vs. how it can enhance financially vs. just playing the Bb and C?

Perhaps an unsophisticated question, but I value your opinion and point of view.

I mean "church money" like weddings and concerts. There is so much chamber music that is too massive with a Bb or C and not everybody owns or can play a picc. There have been stations in my life where the picc generated over 90% of what I earned with the trumpet.

65Strad · 03-18-2008, 10:08 PM

Thank you for the feedback regarding the picc and it's earning potential if it is played well.

BrassOnLine · 03-19-2008, 03:31 AM

In most parts of the world, symphonic players use only b flat, e flat/D and piccolo.
C trumpet is helpful, but not a real must.

buccinator · 03-19-2008, 05:38 PM

Hey,

in America the C-trumpet is the most common you will see ( and hear ) !!!

B15M · 03-19-2008, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by buccinator

Hey,

in America the C-trumpet is the most common you will see ( and hear ) !!!

I don't think that's true. You will see C trumpet in symphony orchestras in the USA. There's a lot of other things to play.

jazz9 · 03-23-2008, 04:34 PM

So, to transpose from Bb music to C music, all you have to do is move everything up a whole step, right? It's just the getting used to doing it without thinking. Am I right here?

Patric_Bernard · 03-23-2008, 04:41 PM

and add two sharps/take away too flats. However you want to think about it. So if your playing in F. Lets say for trumpet. so you ahve one flat, and you want to transpose it to C, you would move every not up a whole step and you would add two sharps. So one sharp would make it C, and another would make it G, with one sharp.

To read Music in Bb, that is written in C. you do the opposite, move everything down a whole step, and take away two sharps/add two flats.

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flugelgirl Pianissimo User Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Norfolk, VA Posts: 225	Re: After getting a Bb... Then what? Picc is sure a beast if you haven't had any proper lessons, though! I wouldn't recommend picc until you're able to study it with someone. I improved on picc very quickly with the right teacher, but didn't get too far by myself, even though I had taken years of lessons by then. All my lessons were jazz, and I had no concept of what to do with a picc till I studied. It's a lot easier to get a start on flugel or C if you are a less experienced player. __________________ Reeves V Raptor Yamaha 8335RGM 50's Calicchio Marcienkewicz Rembrandt flugel Schilke P5-4 French Besson Classic C Weril Regium Eb/D

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65Strad New Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brick, New Jersey Posts: 48	Re: After getting a Bb... Then what? Rowuk, You and many mention that a picc can make money. I assume you are referring to wedding work, or something else? Obviously playing it well is a pre requisite, but how do you mean specifically vs. how it can enhance financially vs. just playing the Bb and C? Perhaps an unsophisticated question, but I value your opinion and point of view. __________________ Tom D'Antoni '65 Bach 181 37 SN#30836 Brand New '66 Bach 180 37 SN#39773 Brand New '69 Bach 181 37 SN#58831 Raw Brass '72 Bach 180S 43 SN#70503 1st Valve Trigger '05 Bach VBS 196 SN# 560142 A/Bb Piccolo '07 Bach Chicago C SN#656602

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65Strad New Friend Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Brick, New Jersey Posts: 48	Re: After getting a Bb... Then what? Thank you for the feedback regarding the picc and it's earning potential if it is played well. __________________ Tom D'Antoni '65 Bach 181 37 SN#30836 Brand New '66 Bach 180 37 SN#39773 Brand New '69 Bach 181 37 SN#58831 Raw Brass '72 Bach 180S 43 SN#70503 1st Valve Trigger '05 Bach VBS 196 SN# 560142 A/Bb Piccolo '07 Bach Chicago C SN#656602

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BrassOnLine Pianissimo User Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Spain and Oman Posts: 81	Re: After getting a Bb... Then what? In most parts of the world, symphonic players use only b flat, e flat/D and piccolo. C trumpet is helpful, but not a real must. __________________ F. Pérez Historical Brass Instruments Custom Trumpets Custom Repair Shop www.Baroque-Trumpets.com

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buccinator New Friend Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Bielefeld, Germany Posts: 29	Re: After getting a Bb... Then what? Hey, in America the C-trumpet is the most common you will see ( and hear ) !!!

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jazz9 Piano User Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 289	Re: After getting a Bb... Then what? So, to transpose from Bb music to C music, all you have to do is move everything up a whole step, right? It's just the getting used to doing it without thinking. Am I right here? __________________ Bach Strad 37

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Patric_Bernard Forte User Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: California Posts: 1,933	Re: After getting a Bb... Then what? and add two sharps/take away too flats. However you want to think about it. So if your playing in F. Lets say for trumpet. so you ahve one flat, and you want to transpose it to C, you would move every not up a whole step and you would add two sharps. So one sharp would make it C, and another would make it G, with one sharp. To read Music in Bb, that is written in C. you do the opposite, move everything down a whole step, and take away two sharps/add two flats. __________________ Bach Omega Bach 3C Bach 3c Megatone Berkley Cornet Bach Cornet 3C Teachers Arbans book, Clarke Studies Book. Nick Drozdoff's online lessons and words of wisdom through email.

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