Arturo...new horn? - Page 4

dcbrown1 · 10-09-2005, 12:18 PM

Good point John. On the one hand, they invested dollars in connecting Arturo with the Leblanc brand...so watering down that brand connection doesn't seem smart. On the other hand...if the Leblanc 357 isn't selling (which I suspect is the case), perhaps shifting to a more, ah, "desireable" instrument will do more for sales. Or...perhaps Arturo just realizes he's Arturo...and he plays whatever he wants. Who's really in a position to dictate what one of the world's best trumpeters plays?

Dave Brown

dcstep · 10-09-2005, 01:20 PM

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Originally Posted by dcbrown1

... Who's really in a position to dictate what one of the world's best trumpeters plays?

It depends on what contracts he may have signed.

Conn-Selmer makes money on either the TT or the Sandoval Signature, but they don't make the TT and only distribute it in the USA. I'd guess that they gain more from Sandoval sales than TT sales, but it's hard to know.

Dave

PatchesTheCat · 10-09-2005, 01:45 PM

I wonder who in the end picked up the tab on the TT he bought? Sandoval or Leblanc/Selmer? I notice that the TT is a 460/461 bore horn which seems a bit smaller than the 463 Leblanc he plays. Do any of the TT players have opinions on how this horn blows? Is it like Schilke's that play more open than their bore size because they are step bore. I don't know much about the TT but I wonder whether he may be having air issues as he gets older. He has been smoking for probably 30 years by now.

Any thoughts?

dcstep · 10-09-2005, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by PatchesTheCat

I wonder who in the end picked up the tab on the TT he bought? Sandoval or Leblanc/Selmer? I notice that the TT is a 460/461 bore horn which seems a bit smaller than the 463 Leblanc he plays. Do any of the TT players have opinions on how this horn blows? Is it like Schilke's that play more open than their bore size because they are step bore. I don't know much about the TT but I wonder whether he may be having air issues as he gets older. He has been smoking for probably 30 years by now.

Any thoughts?

Well, first, it's a .463" not a .461". If you want to validate for yourself go to the www.selmer.fr site and look at the metric bore and then convert it to inches. It's right at .463" (very slightly under).

The quick bell flare of the TT and perhaps it's leadpipe (you can't see it and Selmer Paris gives no meaningful guidance, so it's hard to know much about the leadpipe), makes it blow larger than a .463". For me, the nearest Schilke is a B1, which is actually a little less accepting of "big air", but close. The TT really gives the player tons of feedback off the bell and it's very dynamic. The bell is world class, giving a rich palette of overtones either behind or in front of the horn.

Dave

PatchesTheCat · 10-09-2005, 02:53 PM

I pulled the .461 measurement off a music stores webpage...apparently they were wrong then. If it is close to a B1 that would make sense then, after all, that's what he started with before he got the X3.

Here's the webpage I pulled that measurement from.

http://www.kesslermusic.com/SelmerLe.../ConceptTT.htm

Tulsa band also lists it as a .461

http://www.tulsaband.com/WebStore/ma...ufacturerid=12[/url]

dcstep · 10-09-2005, 02:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatchesTheCat

I pulled the .461 measurement off a music stores webpage...apparently they were wrong then. If it is close to a B1 that would make sense then, after all, that's what he started with before he got the X3.

Here's the webpage I pulled that measurement from.

http://www.kesslermusic.com/SelmerLe.../ConceptTT.htm

Tulsa band also lists it as a .461

http://www.tulsaband.com/WebStore/ma...ufacturerid=12[/url]

Kessler and Tulsa Band don't make the trumpet, Selmer Paris does, so I trust their site on this matter. The .461" a common error that I think got started by Conn-Selmer, the US distributor. You know how marketing people are, I bet one of them did the math and did it wrong, setting up a "factoid" that gets repeated over and over.

I'd say that the TT plays closer to the X3 than the B1, but it's in between those two. Anyone that likes Schilke will probably like the TT, IMHO.

Dave

nowave · 10-09-2005, 08:59 PM

The TT feels more open to me than the B1 that I used to own, by a considerable margin. I love mine. It combines the stability of a heavy horn (at the front end and valve section) and the resonance and response of a light horn (in the minimal bracing and light bell). I don't think there's anything quite like it in that regard.

bigaggietrumpet · 10-10-2005, 07:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatchesTheCat

Do any of the TT players have opinions on how this horn blows? Is it like Schilke's that play more open than their bore size because they are step bore. I don't know much about the TT but I wonder whether he may be having air issues as he gets older. He has been smoking for probably 30 years by now.

Any thoughts?

Realize that I only played one for about 30 minutes or so, so take this with a grain of salt. But when I played the TT, the first thing I noticed was its openness. I thought I had hooked up a vacuum to my face. It took every ounce of air I could give it, and still had room left, and I'm a big guy. It is the only horn I've ever felt was that open. It is an excellent horn, in my opinion.

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10-09-2005, 12:18 PM	#31 (permalink)
dcbrown1 Pianissimo User Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 57	Good point John. On the one hand, they invested dollars in connecting Arturo with the Leblanc brand...so watering down that brand connection doesn't seem smart. On the other hand...if the Leblanc 357 isn't selling (which I suspect is the case), perhaps shifting to a more, ah, "desireable" instrument will do more for sales. Or...perhaps Arturo just realizes he's Arturo...and he plays whatever he wants. Who's really in a position to dictate what one of the world's best trumpeters plays? Dave Brown

10-09-2005, 01:45 PM	#33 (permalink)
PatchesTheCat New Friend Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 14	I wonder who in the end picked up the tab on the TT he bought? Sandoval or Leblanc/Selmer? I notice that the TT is a 460/461 bore horn which seems a bit smaller than the 463 Leblanc he plays. Do any of the TT players have opinions on how this horn blows? Is it like Schilke's that play more open than their bore size because they are step bore. I don't know much about the TT but I wonder whether he may be having air issues as he gets older. He has been smoking for probably 30 years by now. Any thoughts?

10-09-2005, 02:53 PM	#35 (permalink)
PatchesTheCat New Friend Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 14	I pulled the .461 measurement off a music stores webpage...apparently they were wrong then. If it is close to a B1 that would make sense then, after all, that's what he started with before he got the X3. Here's the webpage I pulled that measurement from. http://www.kesslermusic.com/SelmerLe.../ConceptTT.htm Tulsa band also lists it as a .461 http://www.tulsaband.com/WebStore/ma...ufacturerid=12[/url]

10-09-2005, 08:59 PM	#37 (permalink)
nowave New Friend Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: brooklyn Posts: 24	The TT feels more open to me than the B1 that I used to own, by a considerable margin. I love mine. It combines the stability of a heavy horn (at the front end and valve section) and the resonance and response of a light horn (in the minimal bracing and light bell). I don't think there's anything quite like it in that regard.

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