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Old 06-03-2007, 01:02 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Re: The Best Bach For Jazz Playing

I think you would have a hard time finding a better all around horn than a good Bach 37. Plenty of lead players use that model and its very versitale.

You might want to loose that mega tone mouthpiece. It was cool with high school kids around 1993 but these days its good for a laugh or a paper weight.

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I currently own a Schilke B1 - and am moving into UNI, my teacher told me to buy a Bach cause they make real trumpets. Im doing a jazz degree and i need the best Bach suitable for playing lead jazz. Any thoughts?
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Old 06-03-2007, 01:17 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Bernie Glow, Ernie Royal, Victor Paz, Lew Soloff, Alan Rubin, Earl Gardner, Danny Stiles, Bob Millikan, John Frosk, Byron Stripling all use Bach trumpets. The 72*ML is the choice of most. Lew Soloff plays a NY Bach, a small bore, I think. Earl and Byron play large bore Bachs.

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Old 06-03-2007, 01:25 PM   #13 (permalink)
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Re: The Best Bach For Jazz Playing

I've played lead on 37, 37* 43* and 72* bells. My preference is the 72.*

My next choice, and my overall-playing favorite choice in Bach bells is the 72. I believe Wilmer plays a 72 bell. LOTS of musicians like the sound of the 72 bells.

Some prefer the more lazer-beamish projection of Bach's 43 and 43* bells, but I find them a tad too bright for my taste.

I can empathise with your desire to own a Bach at this point in your development. The pull towards Bach equipment hits most around their college days. It did me too, although I resisted the urge until just after college . . . playing my wonderful four-digit Benge 3X and doing quite well with it.

When I finally sold my Benge for a new Bach, it was for an exceptional 72. IT FELT SOOOO GOOD TO HAVE A BACH . . . just like some of the other musicians I gigged with at the time. However, I eventually mourned the loss of that awesome Benge.

Several Bachs and a couple of Yamahas later I no longer care what name is on my horn . . . I just want the one that works and sounds best to ME.

Good luck on your new Bach find. As you test 'em, make sure to run an F# scale and make sure it is fabulous on this scale up to the F# over Double C. Being a lead player, I suspect you can do this test fine.

Also, make sure the Ab and A above High C speak easily. Most run-of-the-mill Bachs choke on these two notes, but an exceptional Bach WILL play these well. You may have to look very hard to find one that does it well though.

It is very important that the horn you get will not hold you back in the stratosphere. Yes, Bach DOES make fine specimens that will do this well . . . ya just have to test a bunch to find 'em, unless you just get lucky.

If these tests are too challenging to you at this stage, take the teacher along and have him perform these test to find you a good Bach that will also scream as a lead horn. Since this cat seems to profess to know REAL trumpets, I'm sure he can do this test well.

Good luck on your search.

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Old 06-03-2007, 01:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Re: The Best Bach For Jazz Playing

I can feel the assault and the wisdom in these replies. After the assaults I learned a lot about testing a Bach/any horn for that matter, and the requirements of a lead jazz trumpeter. Hang in there rowanF2. The teachers and professionals on this site are quick to correct, and filled with tons of knowledge. I continue to get their goat..............crowmadic
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do i want bell with a good projectile?
Just be careful where you point it.
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ML 43 with a 25 leadpipe. Just my opinion, but you asked.
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Bernie Glow, Ernie Royal, Victor Paz, Lew Soloff, Alan Rubin, Earl Gardner, Danny Stiles, Bob Millikan, John Frosk, Byron Stripling all use Bach trumpets. The 72*ML is the choice of most. Lew Soloff plays a NY Bach, a small bore, I think. Earl and Byron play large bore Bachs.

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byron's bach is well "broken in". his valves were quite loud and talked about his "junk" equipment when he visited. wynton used to play bach also. the old days. i say play what you like, if your teacher is as good as you state, i imagine he will leave it alone and teach you just the same. as my trumpet proff says, "this is just a hunk of metal" (although, she does play a blackburn, so a very nice hunk of metal)
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Old 06-03-2007, 07:57 PM   #18 (permalink)
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Re: The Best Bach For Jazz Playing

Well thankyou to all of you, I will test out all the Bachs i can, I will also test out someother models to as i am only interested in the sound aswell.
someone suggested i should get rid of my megatone? why is this?
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Re: The Best Bach For Jazz Playing

You might want to check out the new NY7 Bach copy by NYTC

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I think you would have a hard time finding a better all around horn than a good Bach 37.
That's totally untrue. There any number of great trumpets made by any number of great builders that play better on average than a 'good' Bach 37.

Let the juvenile pissing contests begin...
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