Difference between Round and Square Tuning Slide - Page 2

Jhorn229h · 04-22-2008, 12:44 PM

The rounded slides were designed due to the never ending attempt to make the trumpet more free blowing. Mission accomplished, but unfortunately it usually results in a looser, less focused sound that lacks core.

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rowuk · 04-22-2008, 04:11 PM

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Originally Posted by loweredsixth

Then would it be fair to say that a bend in tubing causes a disturbance for the sound waves and that less bends in the tubing would create a purer sound?

There must be a reason rounded tuning slides play differently than square ones, right?

No, it wouldn't be fair or true. The bend does not change the way that sound waves or your air travels through the horn.

The BRACING on the tuning slide does change the resonance of the horn and that modifies the sound radiated through the tubes and from the OUTSIDE of the bell. Most players would be surprised to know that the different shaped tuning slide CAN change what the PLAYER hears (thus the claim of freer blowing, etc.), but it does NOT change much of what the audience gets.

The sound of the trumpet that reaches the ears of the player has little to do with what the audience gets. We are standing on the safe side of the trumpet when performing. Many tweaks only change what reaches the player!

loweredsixth · 04-22-2008, 04:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

No, it wouldn't be fair or true. The bend does not change the way that sound waves or your air travels through the horn.

The BRACING on the tuning slide does change the resonance of the horn and that modifies the sound radiated through the tubes and from the OUTSIDE of the bell. Most players would be surprised to know that the different shaped tuning slide CAN change what the PLAYER hears (thus the claim of freer blowing, etc.), but it does NOT change much of what the audience gets.

The sound of the trumpet that reaches the ears of the player has little to do with what the audience gets. We are standing on the safe side of the trumpet when performing. Many tweaks only change what reaches the player!

If the shape of the tuning slide does not change the sound or playing characteristics then why did Monette change from a round tuning slide to an ovate tuning slide?

loweredsixth · 04-22-2008, 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rowuk

No, it wouldn't be fair or true. The bend does not change the way that sound waves or your air travels through the horn.

The BRACING on the tuning slide does change the resonance of the horn and that modifies the sound radiated through the tubes and from the OUTSIDE of the bell. Most players would be surprised to know that the different shaped tuning slide CAN change what the PLAYER hears (thus the claim of freer blowing, etc.), but it does NOT change much of what the audience gets.

The sound of the trumpet that reaches the ears of the player has little to do with what the audience gets. We are standing on the safe side of the trumpet when performing. Many tweaks only change what reaches the player!

Also, the round tuning slide does change the way the horn FEELS. It's not just a change in sound for the player. I can physically FEEL a difference.

gglassmeyer · 04-22-2008, 05:39 PM

I agree with loweredsixth. There is a difference in the round vs. square and on both of mine there's a single brace. Though they do have different spit valves, maybe that's the difference I feel (;

Brekelefuw · 04-22-2008, 09:04 PM

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Originally Posted by gglassmeyer

I agree with loweredsixth. There is a difference in the round vs. square and on both of mine there's a single brace. Though they do have different spit valves, maybe that's the difference I feel (;

Brace positioning on the slides will change how the horn feels, just like Rowuk said.

brem · 04-23-2008, 09:51 AM

loweredsixth: fashion? :)

gglassmeyer · 04-23-2008, 01:01 PM

The braces on both slides are in the same location and have the same amount of tubing after the brace just one is round and the other "square". I totally agree that bracing affects the sound, but the feeling of moving air through the horn a brace won't affect. Maybe I play in a really inefficient manner and am more prone to feel a difference in a large vs ml bore horn or the effects of tuning slide shape (pushing more air through a horn than is really needed). For me there is a very stark difference in feel/blow not sound.

loweredsixth · 04-23-2008, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by brem

loweredsixth: fashion? :)

Huh?

brem · 04-23-2008, 02:45 PM

loweredsixth: you asked why they are doing it... I said... fashion.

04-22-2008, 12:44 PM	#11 (permalink)
Jhorn229h Pianissimo User Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 86	Re: Difference between Round and Square Tuning Slide The rounded slides were designed due to the never ending attempt to make the trumpet more free blowing. Mission accomplished, but unfortunately it usually results in a looser, less focused sound that lacks core. J

04-22-2008, 05:39 PM	#15 (permalink)
gglassmeyer Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 174	Re: Difference between Round and Square Tuning Slide I agree with loweredsixth. There is a difference in the round vs. square and on both of mine there's a single brace. Though they do have different spit valves, maybe that's the difference I feel (; __________________ Greg Glassmeyer

04-23-2008, 09:51 AM	#17 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 676	Re: Difference between Round and Square Tuning Slide loweredsixth: fashion? :) __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

04-23-2008, 01:01 PM	#18 (permalink)
gglassmeyer Pianissimo User Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Cincinnati, OH Posts: 174	Re: Difference between Round and Square Tuning Slide The braces on both slides are in the same location and have the same amount of tubing after the brace just one is round and the other "square". I totally agree that bracing affects the sound, but the feeling of moving air through the horn a brace won't affect. Maybe I play in a really inefficient manner and am more prone to feel a difference in a large vs ml bore horn or the effects of tuning slide shape (pushing more air through a horn than is really needed). For me there is a very stark difference in feel/blow not sound. __________________ Greg Glassmeyer

04-23-2008, 02:45 PM	#20 (permalink)
brem Mezzo Piano User Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Quebec City, QC, Canada Posts: 676	Re: Difference between Round and Square Tuning Slide loweredsixth: you asked why they are doing it... I said... fashion. __________________ brem ----- NYTC Stage 1 California Light - Schilke 15B mpc Bach Stradivarius Bb Model 37 * #124xxx (circa 1975) - Schilke 15B mpc Yamaha YFH-731 Flugelhorn #000xxx - Yamaha 14F4-GP mpc

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