Walter

Gene....have you tried your horn with another mouthpiece...size/make?

Walter

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I played my Eclipse MR in Dubai where the temperature could be very hot to surprisingly cool in heavy air conditioning! I never had any problem tuning it - the slide was about where Noel said, for me.

I also must add that before I had the Eclipse I had the Schilke B1 and I found the intonation on both horns to be outstanding - a far better player than me (I am just a keen amateur) said that the Eclipse was absolutely superb above the staff on intonation and locking in to notes - he said it was like being on rails!

I don't have the Schilke any more but also have a Bach 37 which plays well but I struggle with the intonation on this horn in comparison to the Eclipse.

I don't buy that Americans struggle on the Eclipse because they play in the centre more than European players. This is a complete generalisation and frankly insulting to European players!

Good luck with your MR - I think they are fantastic horns, Noel has given you great advice so go with what he says. I had the pleasure of having a lesson with him a few years ago - he is an excellent professional player; one of the very top pros in the UK.

MM

trumpetnick

Thanks for that! It really is. There is some diferences between european and american trumpeters, but centered sound is not one of them, that's for sure.

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tatakata

It sounds to me like the trumpets might be just a bit too long.

B15M

Thats ridiculous

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tatakata

Why? A couple of people have mentioned that they play on the flat side. Maybe the trumpet needs to be just slightly shorter to accomidate more players.

B15M

The trumpet is made by an expert. It's not a production trumpet. I would bet that the first poster bought it second hand.

The amount of sharp or flat that we are talking about could be adjusted with the mouthpiece or bore of the trumpet. There are a ton of reasons that the trumpet could play flat. Most likely the player or a mismatch between the mouthpiece and the trumpet.

To attack the trumpet line and say in general that they need to make them shorter is silly. There are a lot of people playing them and love them. If they were making them too long the pros wouldn't use them or ask for a change in design.

I went to a dealer and tried a few. They weren't what I was looking for but they surly weren't made too long.

To say they are made too long is almost a cheap shot.

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bandman

Here is the perfect response to your problem -

IF you seriously think that your horn plays in a defective manner, and playing flat would be a serious defect, I suggest that you send it back to Leigh at Eclipse.

Leigh and the folks that work with him are master craftsman, but that does not mean that they can walk on water or make instruments with absolute perfection every time. If your horn has a defect he will want to personally take care of your problem.

Learning from our mistakes is a big part of playing an instrument, but it is also a big part of making instruments. He can't make sure it will not happen again unless he can see the horn and make the proper adjustments.

Last but not least, I have no doubt that he wants your instrument to be as perfect as is possible. You should have emailed this question to him rather than posting it on any board. He is the world's biggest expert on Eclipse trumpets -- give him the opportunity to help you out.

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Lonelyangel,
Terrific advice and a very thoughtful offer. I changed horns recently and found that I was overcompensating as the new horn is much truer in pitch and I was used to adjusting.
I just skimmed and may have missed something but I didn't see any suggestion re the mouthpiece gap. I've never played an Eclipse and don't know if this may be an issue.
For the sake of fiscal policy, do not hack at the horn. It will be worth diddly squat when your finished. Take up the offer and let Lonelyangel get it looked at.

tatakata

How am I attacking the trumpet. Some people have come forward with complaints that they play on the flat side.

I'm saying maybe it would help if the trumpet was a bit shorter. I'm not attacking anything.