Flugelhorn: Bach Stradivarius VS Yamaha? - Page 2

JMesh · 03-27-2005, 03:17 PM

Someone sent me a private message about the brand Hub Van Laar made here in my province. Has anyone heard of these and what are they like?

Tootsall · 03-27-2005, 03:35 PM

NYTC is handling the product in North America. Their website is :

http://trumpetstudio426.com/_wsn/page14.html

The company website is: http://www.hubvanlaar.nl/en/company1/

It seems they use the same valve block that Eclipse and Taylor use.

trickg · 03-27-2005, 05:55 PM

Between the two - Bach or Yamaha - I found that the Yamaha's tend to have better intonation overall and I have never had a problem with them.

That said, I play a Kanstul CCF 925 - it's well built, has good intonation, has a dark silky sound, slots well and has a nice, focused, easy blow.

The price is about the same as the Yamaha.

sublmbadfish · 03-27-2005, 10:11 PM

Conn V 1

Tootsall · 03-27-2005, 10:18 PM

Guys, remember that JMesh is located in Holland... and we know how much US-built instruments get marked up when they go over there! (current exchange rates don't help much neither!). If you go to the links for Hub Van Laar that I posted you'll see that some pretty top-notch players are on that equipment including the Findley brothers. The prices look pretty decent too, especially considering they are built right there in Holland (where everything is close to everything else!)

JMesh · 03-28-2005, 11:13 AM

WRONG! I'M NOT IN HOLLAND. NL=NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR, CANADA. Sorry for the mixup. Also, I believe the flugelhorns are made here in Newfoundland. I'm not sure though.

Tootsall · 03-28-2005, 11:34 AM

"WRONG! I'M NOT IN HOLLAND. NL=NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR, CANADA. Sorry for the mixup. Also, I believe the flugelhorns are made here in Newfoundland. I'm not sure though.
_________________
Newfoundland_Trumpet_Guy "

Well, Laird Dyin' Jaisus, me son.... and I always t'ought that Newfoundland was abbreviated NFLD! (and this after living just off Lamarchant Road in St. Johns a few years back)

I blame it all on the Dutch who insist on calling their country Netherlands and using the abbreviation NL!

Too funny.... anyway... NO, nobody is making flugelhorns in Newfounland (or Labrador for that matter!) Now.. if you wanted to go a bit East... like, Holland or England!...........

You may still want to consider the Hub Van Laar flugel though... their price seems to be within your range (as is Kanstul & Conn)

(initially challenged) Toots.

trumpetpimp · 03-28-2005, 02:37 PM

I have a Yamaha 731 and really like it quite a lot. It does exactly what it's supposed to do with regards to pitch and slotting and lets me get as dark or brilliant as I want. I haven't like the Bach flugels I've played but have always like Yamaha flugels.

So, there you go. I guess we haven't proven much. Play what you like. You've got recommendations for brands.

What exactly do you mean by "play hard"? I can't imagine you've worn out horns in the past. Instruments are a little different from cars and pants, you know.

trickg · 03-28-2005, 03:16 PM

Sorry to butt in like this, but it always amazes me when someone posts a question like "Flugelhorn: Bach Stradivarius VS Yamaha?" to get answers like:

Eclipse
Conn V 1
Hub Van Laar
etc

Now, I have to admit that at the END of my post, I said that I played a Kanstul, but they guy specifically asked about two specific brands. I understand that you like your Eclipses and Conns and whatever it is that you happen to currently own and play, but how about some dialog regarding the two that he asked about?

That would be like someone asking

Q: "Coffee or tea?"
A: "Milk!"

Again, for my money, the Yamaha is the better choice.

JMesh · 03-29-2005, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trumpetpimp

What exactly do you mean by "play hard"? I can't imagine you've worn out horns in the past. Instruments are a little different from cars and pants, you know.

Actually, I Have!

I had a trumpet I borrowed from my school, before I got my stradivarius (student level horn, go figure), and it wore out in less than a year and half. So, it can and has been done.

03-27-2005, 03:17 PM	#11 (permalink)
JMesh New Friend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newfoundland Posts: 17	Another Brand? Someone sent me a private message about the brand Hub Van Laar made here in my province. Has anyone heard of these and what are they like? __________________ Joseph Mesh Student School of Music Memorial University St. John's, NL

03-27-2005, 05:55 PM	#13 (permalink)
trickg Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 2,054	Between the two - Bach or Yamaha - I found that the Yamaha's tend to have better intonation overall and I have never had a problem with them. That said, I play a Kanstul CCF 925 - it's well built, has good intonation, has a dark silky sound, slots well and has a nice, focused, easy blow. The price is about the same as the Yamaha. __________________ Patrick Gleason email me at: trickg1@hotmail.com "What we do in life echoes in eternity" "At my signal, unleash hell." - Maximus Decimus Meridius

03-28-2005, 11:13 AM	#16 (permalink)
JMesh New Friend Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Newfoundland Posts: 17	Wrong Country WRONG! I'M NOT IN HOLLAND. NL=NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR, CANADA. Sorry for the mixup. Also, I believe the flugelhorns are made here in Newfoundland. I'm not sure though. __________________ Joseph Mesh Student School of Music Memorial University St. John's, NL

03-28-2005, 02:37 PM	#18 (permalink)
trumpetpimp Piano User Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 268	I have a Yamaha 731 and really like it quite a lot. It does exactly what it's supposed to do with regards to pitch and slotting and lets me get as dark or brilliant as I want. I haven't like the Bach flugels I've played but have always like Yamaha flugels. So, there you go. I guess we haven't proven much. Play what you like. You've got recommendations for brands. What exactly do you mean by "play hard"? I can't imagine you've worn out horns in the past. Instruments are a little different from cars and pants, you know. __________________ For sale: Courtois 154 flugel http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=5375 Kanstul 1500 Bb copper bell http://www.trumpetherald.com/marketp...detail&id=7504

03-28-2005, 03:16 PM	#19 (permalink)
trickg Forte User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Glen Burnie, Maryland Posts: 2,054	Sorry to butt in like this, but it always amazes me when someone posts a question like "Flugelhorn: Bach Stradivarius VS Yamaha?" to get answers like: Eclipse Conn V 1 Hub Van Laar etc Now, I have to admit that at the END of my post, I said that I played a Kanstul, but they guy specifically asked about two specific brands. I understand that you like your Eclipses and Conns and whatever it is that you happen to currently own and play, but how about some dialog regarding the two that he asked about? That would be like someone asking Q: "Coffee or tea?" A: "Milk!" Again, for my money, the Yamaha is the better choice. __________________ Patrick Gleason email me at: trickg1@hotmail.com "What we do in life echoes in eternity" "At my signal, unleash hell." - Maximus Decimus Meridius

03-27-2005, 03:35 PM	#12 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	NYTC is handling the product in North America. Their website is : http://trumpetstudio426.com/_wsn/page14.html The company website is: http://www.hubvanlaar.nl/en/company1/ It seems they use the same valve block that Eclipse and Taylor use.

03-27-2005, 10:11 PM	#14 (permalink)
sublmbadfish Pianissimo User Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Chicago Illinois Posts: 74	Conn V 1

03-27-2005, 10:18 PM	#15 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	Guys, remember that JMesh is located in Holland... and we know how much US-built instruments get marked up when they go over there! (current exchange rates don't help much neither!). If you go to the links for Hub Van Laar that I posted you'll see that some pretty top-notch players are on that equipment including the Findley brothers. The prices look pretty decent too, especially considering they are built right there in Holland (where everything is close to everything else!)

03-28-2005, 11:34 AM	#17 (permalink)
Tootsall Fortissimo User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Yee HAW! Posts: 4,641	"WRONG! I'M NOT IN HOLLAND. NL=NEWFOUNDLAND AND LABRADOR, CANADA. Sorry for the mixup. Also, I believe the flugelhorns are made here in Newfoundland. I'm not sure though. _________________ Newfoundland_Trumpet_Guy " Well, Laird Dyin' Jaisus, me son.... and I always t'ought that Newfoundland was abbreviated NFLD! (and this after living just off Lamarchant Road in St. Johns a few years back) I blame it all on the Dutch who insist on calling their country Netherlands and using the abbreviation NL! Too funny.... anyway... NO, nobody is making flugelhorns in Newfounland (or Labrador for that matter!) Now.. if you wanted to go a bit East... like, Holland or England!........... You may still want to consider the Hub Van Laar flugel though... their price seems to be within your range (as is Kanstul & Conn) (initially challenged) Toots.

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