adonis74

Just what is cryo supposed to do? Is the entire horn (valves and all) cryo'd?

How does it differ from sticking it in the freezer for a day or so?

How can you be positive it "can't hurt"?

stchasking

Instead of Cryo-whatevering your horn why don't you put it in your oven on the "clean" setting for about 6 hours? Keep the oven closed until the inside is room temperature. Be sure to remove all the valves and all the springs and plastic parts. Only the brass should go in the oven. Let us know how it sounds. It should be pretty well stress relieved.

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adonis74

I saw nothing on the cryo-parts.com about musical instruments benefitting from cryo-therapy.

I had my torn retinas cryo-therapied and it fixed the rips and I can see fine now. However, it's difficult to conceptualize how that would make a horn sound better.

stchasking

Exactly!! Cryo does nothing. Brass instruments are good to go when they come out of the factory. (Except anything made in China.)

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Dan Millheim

Folks,

I started a cyro thread that I would humbly suggest you comment and ask questions on-not that I can answer them but maybe others can? Yes, I know I should not have made the cryo comment here, ha. There are also a lot better DCT related threads on this site as well. Sorry to get us off track.

http://www.trumpetmaster.com/vb/f139...ent-32173.html (Cryo Freezing: An Experiment)

I'll just say here that I thought that is why we have forums like this so we can exchange IDEAS, push the envelope, take risks? You don't have to agree...you may even have tried DCT and it did nothing-good for you for trying, BUT for the life of me, I have never understood people (adults that is) who feel the need to so strongly reject ideas, technology, equipment etc. they have never experienced? Good luck with t-h-a-t?

Fear, ignorance, "playing it safe", going along with "the herd" mindset and Dave Monette would not have "Corporation" after his name; Jason Harrelson would still just be giving trumpet lessons; Felix would have rolled over for Giardinelli's to name a precious few, and the results would be- WE- (all who love, play, tinker, or support their families with our craft) would have lost!

Ok, my wife is doing laundry so I need to give back the "soap box". THE EARTH IS ROUND!... THE EARTH IS ROUND!...ehm.. " Yes Dear , I'm coming"...

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Dave Mickley

Dan - I am with you all the way - I have had music educators say that my lips are to full for trumpet, have heard that a Bach 37 is the only good horn out there - also a Bach 37 is a piece of junk, was told if I didn't use a Bach 1 or 11/2C mouthpiece that I couldn't play and so much more that we could all write a book. What ever works for you is what you need to use - entry level horn with generic mouthpiece or a custom set up it just doesn't matter, use what works. Oh by the way - how is your re-plated horn working out? Time to move the clothes to the dryer [ I'm not kidding, I really do the laundry at my house]. Dave

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Dan Millheim

Hey Dave, the horn looks and plays great. Problem solved! I am proud that you help with the laundry-real men serve! I'm a "vacuum specialist" around our home.

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blower

Hello Brett,
Good to see you answering these things yourself pesonally, I too am a Getzen player (Getzen Eterna 800 with copper bell) and would like to say how much I enjoy playing it. I have however one problem which I suspect is me - I have problems with A above the stave, it is a little difficult to sound and interesting to note the B and C are generally easier. I have tried all alternative fingerings with no real improvement, the note is quite usable but takes more effort that I expect. Have you any thoughts?

Best Regards,

Brekelefuw

My instrument repair teacher had his horn cryo frozen. He said that the change in the horn is bigger than he could have ever imagined. He documented every part of the process with picture and video (I think) because he too was a skeptic. The big problem with cryo is that if you drop the horn, or do any repair work on it, it makes the effects of the cryo freezing go away because the whole point of cryo is the align the molecules. When it gets damaged, the molecules fall out of alignment again.

Putting the horn in the oven on clean would heat it up making it expand. The expansion would probably lead to stress around the braces because the metal would have nowhere to go.

rowuk

Dan has a good point AND more experience on this subject than I (or many of us) do. The test wasn't "scientific" but the results (especially the valve action) are very believable.
I am sure that every brand of instrument would react (or not react) differently, so like most things trumpet, this applies to HIS set of variables.

Many manufacturers bend tubing with deep temperature frozen something inside, maybe a step in this direction?

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